By: Jet Age Museum
- 12th February 2015 at 09:37Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Just to be clear, the Drover will be coming to Staverton, but won't be part of Jet Age Museum's collection. One of our trustees, Darren Lewington, who is also the Airport's Operations Director is acquiring the airframe. Darren grew up in Southend and has fond memories of regularly visiting the Historic Aircraft Museum, where the Drover was an inmate.
By: Planemike
- 12th February 2015 at 10:16Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Air Britain's Aviation World Autumn 2006 contains a comprehensive article on the DHA-3 Drover. 5003 is reported as "Restored as VH-EBQ in 03/49 to Qantas New Guinea Internal Services Divn. Crashed16.07.51 into sea eight miles off Lae, Papua-New Guinea. Canx 05.05.52."
The marks G-APPP are have also been associated with a DHA-3 Drover. A G-INFO search reveals nothing: the marks were never allocated. However the Air Britain Monograph The British Civil Aircraft Register G-APAA to G-APZZ states "Initailly reserved for de Havilland Australia DHA-3 Drover 2 (5002) built at Bankstown 1949 and regd VH-CAT initially but not talen up and then VH-BMU. Aircaft not imported and Air Navigation & Trading Co.Ltd., Squires Gate eventually imported another as G-APXX instead." ("Officially the marks G-APPP should not have been allocated in any case having been designated in ICAO regulations not to be issued.") The Av World article also confirms that there was a projected sale to ANT and the marks G-APPP were reserved.
Hope that ties up some loose ends......
By the way, great to see this unique (to the Northern Hemisphere) aircraft find a new home, hopefully indoors. Would be good to see some restoration work undertaken.
By: ozplane
- 12th February 2015 at 11:04Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Oh, I am getting old. I remember the Drover arriving at Squires Gate (Blackpool International Spaceport or whatever) and asking Russell Whyham what he was going to do with it. I believe the intention was to use it for his "Round the Tower" trips but as far as I remember it was never assembled and remained propped up against his hangar. I guess 3 engines were more expensive to run than the 2 on his Dragons and Rapides.
By: scotavia
- 12th February 2015 at 11:25Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I recall that the Drover at Squires Gate was hemmed in by a Westland Dragonfly heli and a huge set of sheerlegs, around that time Russell was acquiring an odd collection of types, he had the only Aermacchi AL60 in the Uk on pleasure flights which was a sign that single engine types were to take over from twins, leading to Piper Tri Pacers and Cherokees. Meanwhile there were visits from John Lewery in his Fox Moth from Southport sands pleasure flying.
By: Wyvernfan
- 12th February 2015 at 12:19Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Just to be clear, the Drover will be coming to Staverton, but won't be part of Jet Age Museum's collection. One of our trustees, Darren Lewington, who is also the Airport's Operations Director is acquiring the airframe. Darren grew up in Southend and has fond memories of regularly visiting the Historic Aircraft Museum, where the Drover was an inmate.
By: ericmunk
- 12th February 2015 at 20:09Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Ericmunk, do you mean 'two others' or 'the only the two'. I ask that, as I am only aware of G-ALLK and G-APXX - and on checking, these two are the only Drovers to come up on a search of the CAA GINFO register site.
By: viscount
- 12th February 2015 at 22:12Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I agree, Ericmunk, an excellent site detailing the history of each Drover. With so many details, clearly the authoritative history of C/no.3014, complete with first flights, hours flown etc. I do hope that the new owner's attention is drawn to the excellent summary of events regarding the aircraft. My many thanks to Erikmunk for drawing our attention to the link in his post above.
By: jack windsor
- 13th February 2015 at 10:46Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I recall that the Drover at Squires Gate was hemmed in by a Westland Dragonfly heli and a huge set of sheerlegs, around that time Russell was acquiring an odd collection of types, he had the only Aermacchi AL60 in the Uk on pleasure flights which was a sign that single engine types were to take over from twins, leading to Piper Tri Pacers and Cherokees. Meanwhile there were visits from John Lewery in his Fox Moth from Southport sands pleasure flying.
hi,
used to visit here whilst on our weeks annular holiday for a number of years, saw GAPXX in Aug. 1963 in ANT's hangar, at the back with its wing's stacked, also WG661 nearby, also I noted a fuselage with wings nearby noted as a Jackaroo?...
By: mike currill
- 13th February 2015 at 12:59Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Just to be clear, the Drover will be coming to Staverton, but won't be part of Jet Age Museum's collection. One of our trustees, Darren Lewington, who is also the Airport's Operations Director is acquiring the airframe. Darren grew up in Southend and has fond memories of regularly visiting the Historic Aircraft Museum, where the Drover was an inmate.
I don't really mind where it's going, it's being preserved which I am pleased about.
By: Robert Whitton
- 13th February 2015 at 14:28Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
This has been posted on Facebook:-
Michael Eastman I HAVE CONTACTED BARRY HE SEEMS UNAWARE OF THIS SITUATION AS HE SAYS THE AIRCRAFT IS ON LOAN TO THE APPRENTICES FOR THEM TO DO SOME RESORATION WORK AND THEN RETURN IT TO HIM.HE IS OUT OF THE COUNRTY UNTIL APRIL THEREFORE I SUGGEST SOMEONE IS BEING A BIT NAUGHTY WITH SOMETHING THAT IS NOT THEIRS TO DISPOSE OF !!!!!!!!
I have no personal knowledge about this but thought it of interest to this forum.
I hadn't seen this thread before and believed the Drover was still with Barry Parkhouse. It would be good to know if there has been any progress in restoring her as she has had a pretty rough life since arriving in the UK.
When I was a teenager I remember that I removed the main switch box from the cockpit for restoration and many years later made a special journey to return the bare box with a biscuit tin full of switches etc to SWWAPS at Lasham.
I also re-covered the rudder and elevators at Southend. The props and I believe the wheels were from a Channel Airways Heron which was scrapped on the airfield. The flaps were never restored. All we had was the leading edge and some rotten remnants of what seemed to be wood.
It would be great if she finally gets restored properly after all these years.
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By: Jet Age Museum - 12th February 2015 at 09:37 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Just to be clear, the Drover will be coming to Staverton, but won't be part of Jet Age Museum's collection. One of our trustees, Darren Lewington, who is also the Airport's Operations Director is acquiring the airframe. Darren grew up in Southend and has fond memories of regularly visiting the Historic Aircraft Museum, where the Drover was an inmate.
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By: Planemike - 12th February 2015 at 10:16 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Air Britain's Aviation World Autumn 2006 contains a comprehensive article on the DHA-3 Drover. 5003 is reported as "Restored as VH-EBQ in 03/49 to Qantas New Guinea Internal Services Divn. Crashed16.07.51 into sea eight miles off Lae, Papua-New Guinea. Canx 05.05.52."
The marks G-APPP are have also been associated with a DHA-3 Drover. A G-INFO search reveals nothing: the marks were never allocated. However the Air Britain Monograph The British Civil Aircraft Register G-APAA to G-APZZ states "Initailly reserved for de Havilland Australia DHA-3 Drover 2 (5002) built at Bankstown 1949 and regd VH-CAT initially but not talen up and then VH-BMU. Aircaft not imported and Air Navigation & Trading Co.Ltd., Squires Gate eventually imported another as G-APXX instead." ("Officially the marks G-APPP should not have been allocated in any case having been designated in ICAO regulations not to be issued.") The Av World article also confirms that there was a projected sale to ANT and the marks G-APPP were reserved.
Hope that ties up some loose ends......
By the way, great to see this unique (to the Northern Hemisphere) aircraft find a new home, hopefully indoors. Would be good to see some restoration work undertaken.
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By: Planemike - 12th February 2015 at 10:29 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
viscount......
Both VH-EAS and VH-EAZ are correct for this a/c. Built as a Mk 1 regd VH-EAZ (2) 23.07.52. Converted to a Mk 2 in 1954. Re-regd VH-EAS (4) 18.08.54.
Planemike
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By: ozplane - 12th February 2015 at 11:04 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Oh, I am getting old. I remember the Drover arriving at Squires Gate (Blackpool International Spaceport or whatever) and asking Russell Whyham what he was going to do with it. I believe the intention was to use it for his "Round the Tower" trips but as far as I remember it was never assembled and remained propped up against his hangar. I guess 3 engines were more expensive to run than the 2 on his Dragons and Rapides.
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By: scotavia - 12th February 2015 at 11:25 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I recall that the Drover at Squires Gate was hemmed in by a Westland Dragonfly heli and a huge set of sheerlegs, around that time Russell was acquiring an odd collection of types, he had the only Aermacchi AL60 in the Uk on pleasure flights which was a sign that single engine types were to take over from twins, leading to Piper Tri Pacers and Cherokees. Meanwhile there were visits from John Lewery in his Fox Moth from Southport sands pleasure flying.
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By: ozplane - 12th February 2015 at 12:03 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Scotavia, you have a PM.
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By: Wyvernfan - 12th February 2015 at 12:19 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Thanks for the clarification.
Rob
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By: ericmunk - 12th February 2015 at 20:09 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
No, try G-APPP. An excellent site detailing the histor of the Drovers is here: http://www.goodall.com.au/australian-aviation/drover/drover.htm
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By: viscount - 12th February 2015 at 22:12 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I agree, Ericmunk, an excellent site detailing the history of each Drover. With so many details, clearly the authoritative history of C/no.3014, complete with first flights, hours flown etc. I do hope that the new owner's attention is drawn to the excellent summary of events regarding the aircraft. My many thanks to Erikmunk for drawing our attention to the link in his post above.
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By: jack windsor - 13th February 2015 at 10:46 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
hi,
used to visit here whilst on our weeks annular holiday for a number of years, saw GAPXX in Aug. 1963 in ANT's hangar, at the back with its wing's stacked, also WG661 nearby, also I noted a fuselage with wings nearby noted as a Jackaroo?...
fond memories, regards,
jack...
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By: mike currill - 13th February 2015 at 12:59 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I don't really mind where it's going, it's being preserved which I am pleased about.Posts: 1,317
By: Robert Whitton - 13th February 2015 at 14:28 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
This has been posted on Facebook:-
Michael Eastman I HAVE CONTACTED BARRY HE SEEMS UNAWARE OF THIS SITUATION AS HE SAYS THE AIRCRAFT IS ON LOAN TO THE APPRENTICES FOR THEM TO DO SOME RESORATION WORK AND THEN RETURN IT TO HIM.HE IS OUT OF THE COUNRTY UNTIL APRIL THEREFORE I SUGGEST SOMEONE IS BEING A BIT NAUGHTY WITH SOMETHING THAT IS NOT THEIRS TO DISPOSE OF !!!!!!!!
I have no personal knowledge about this but thought it of interest to this forum.
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By: kartman - 6th June 2018 at 23:13 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Sorry to drag up this old thread, did the Drover find a new home?..........Martin
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By: Zac Yates - 7th June 2018 at 00:16 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I've recently been reading a little about the type and it would be interesting to hear what happened with this one.
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By: mark_pilkington - 8th February 2020 at 20:28 Permalink
Any photos and updates on the current location and status of this Drover airframe?
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By: Lee Howard - 9th February 2020 at 19:15 Permalink
Just a reminder that Geoff Goodall, whose site is mentioned in this thread, also recently wrote a book on the Drover published by Air-Britain: https://www.air-britain.co.uk/actbooks/acatalog/Drover.html
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By: WJ244 - 10th February 2020 at 11:59 Permalink
I hadn't seen this thread before and believed the Drover was still with Barry Parkhouse. It would be good to know if there has been any progress in restoring her as she has had a pretty rough life since arriving in the UK.
When I was a teenager I remember that I removed the main switch box from the cockpit for restoration and many years later made a special journey to return the bare box with a biscuit tin full of switches etc to SWWAPS at Lasham.
I also re-covered the rudder and elevators at Southend. The props and I believe the wheels were from a Channel Airways Heron which was scrapped on the airfield. The flaps were never restored. All we had was the leading edge and some rotten remnants of what seemed to be wood.
It would be great if she finally gets restored properly after all these years.