More Treasures(?) From The Garage...

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Hi everyone,

I've been having a bit of a sort out in the garage again (that's the one that keeps on giving of course) and a few bits and pieces have turned up that I'd appreciate your expertise and advice on:-

1). Seat harness pieces.

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I've a load of harness straps. The first batch are parts of the Sutton Harness and pre-war dates can be seen on some of them. I'm not sure there's quite enough to make up a complete set, so I suppose the question is, can spares be obtained and are they expensive (in non-flyer condition)? Is there a demand for a harness in this sort of condition?

The second batch comprises various straps for the "Z" type harness. There are lap straps and shoulder straps, etc. Stores Refs include 6F/249, 251 and 252. Again, is there any value to these oddments? Their condition ranges from "not bad" to "poor". Anyone got a use for them?

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2). Mystery levers.
I've turned up various sets of levers and quadrants, all rescued from scrapyards decades ago. I'd appreciate any help in identifying them.

Two sets of single levers.
A good starter clue on these as the levers are clearly stamped with AW Inspector's stamps, e.g. AW300 and AW57B. Parts numbers stamped on them include SP44692 and SP49018.

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Three sets of triple levers.
These resemble the single levers described above in design and also bear AW Inspector's stamps. One lever is stamped SP53695 1.

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Teleflex R.P.M. levers for a twin engined aeroplane.

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These look to be late wartime or early postwar. They are quite simple in design. Are they possibly from an early jet, in which case, is the Meteor a possibility?

Edited to add: Looking at the quadrant, the nearest lever is for the port engine, which places the friction damper wheel on the side away from the pilot in the Meteor, so it looks more like it occupied a central position, i.e. on a pedestal between two crew members? The Anson/Cheetah used Teleflex controls for the RPM levers but I don't recall a friction lock?

American (?) levers.

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I couldn't spot any identifying marks on these pretty corroded levers. The design isn't typically British, might they be American?

Combined Dive Brake and Landing Gear Lever

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This seems to use one lever to operate both systems - seems like a recipe for disaster to me! When I read the annotation "DO NOT OPERATE THIS HANDLE ABOVE 200 KNOTS IND." I thought of a Naval aircraft of course, which brought to mind Skua or Barracuda, but is it even British? Grumman Avenger or something, maybe?

The two plates on the top of the quadrant read "UP - LANDING GEAR - DOWN" and "OFF - DIVE BRAKE - ON". A casting number on the lever reads VS 234B(or 8)7-1.

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Continued...

A set of three levers.

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Actually, I'm pretty sure I can identify these already but I'll ask for opinions anyway. A lot of the details on the quadrant plate have corroded away but for the right hand lever I can just make out "CLOSED - BOMB DOORS - OPEN". The casting bears the Trade name MAZLO and the casting number 56299 (or maybe 56298).

A throttle quadrant.

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A bit tongue in cheek here as I know what it is, but I had absolutely no recollection of finding it all those years ago. A forum member may be thrilled or fed up with me when he sees it!

Apologies for the quality of some of the photos. By the time I had studied the items and prepared them for photographing, it was raining outdoors and the light was fading rapidly.

That's it for now but please keep checking back as there will probably be quite a bit more "Cockpitalia" to come in the next few days and weeks.

As always, thanks in advance for your help!

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Hello Alan,

The bottom 'throttle quadrant' is a Miles Martinet control box and I am absolutely delighted to see it - e-mail on it's way. By the way does any of your harnesses carry a 6F/166 reference?

Kind regards,

Tim

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Ah no wonder I was confused. I thought part of it looked Master but not all of it. Very nice find though!

Rob

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Hi Alan,
Nice hoard of gear. Cannot ID anything but the straps and certainly folks are always needing Z harness ones for various projects MB Mk 1-2 and 3 Ejct. Seats will use these as will pre Bang seats.( Vampire-Meteor-Chipmunk,etc ) These can be cleaned up nicely and re-used for a static job. You are looking at 60+ years old perishables, that are thin on the ground nowadays.
Like the 3rd in from the left( Z lap straps pic.) with the metal plate unit mounted on and some sort of adjuster /release unit with cable. Never seen anything like that before, wonder what it's purpose is ?
Great stuff m8, keep pics. and info coming.
Bill T.

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As you've already surmised, Alan, the throttles aren't from anything Meteor. The Meteor had a rectangular throttle (literally a box) on the LH cockpit side with two sliding throttles. This was built in to the fuselage side.

Thanks for the gear I got from you this morning.

Anon.

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Hi Air Min - what interesting finds! Mazlo is/was an American company so not British. Pm/email sent regarding your Whitley fuel **** lever collection.

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The teleflex levers look like the airscrew speed controls from a Beaufighter. Granted the friction knob is in a rather inaccessible place, but the throttle was on its right side anyway so no ideal place to put it!

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Thanks for all the replies so far, my faith in the forum is maintained and it looks like quite a few of these pieces will be going to new owners soon!

Particular thanks to Elliott for the Beaufighter suggestion. Here's a drawing from the Beaufighter A.P. which looks promising - note it's aligned as per my picture yet seems to show a friction wheel on that side (i.e. away from the pilot). I'll check the original for appropriate stamps.

Hopefully, more items to id soon...

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Regarding harnasses:

- The Sutton harnesses could be used for static display. NOS and new parts can be obtained from http://www.angliasailplanes.co.uk/
- The hardware from the Sutton harnesses could be re-used after reconditioning in sailplanes. They are a niche market, but occasional requests for these do turn up for pre-ware glider restorations.
- The Z-types are still pretty common to sailplanes with an ATC background, e.g. T38, Sedbergh, Swallow, Tandem Tutor. They are usable to owner/inspector discretion where Annex-II aircraft are concerned, and the good ones in your batch could probably be installed without overhaul (though I prefer mine reconditioned, as we have had them done on our previous restorations, you never know when you might need them!). There is a number of companies refurbishing these to as-new condition for airworthy re-use, and the hardware is getting thin on the ground.

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Hi Alan,

Bill has been helping us find straps for our unique Hunter F.2 WN904- I think some of the Z straps might be applicable to our old girl...have asked our seat guy!

ATB

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Next instalment!

Hi all, I'm back with the second instalment of the garage clearout.

I hope you'll be able to come up with some suggestions for the identity of these parts, many of which are American.

Trim units.

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Two small oblong boxes with handles to wind trim on. The left hand quadrant is marked STBD. at the top and PORT at the bottom. The right hand quadrant is marked DIVE at the top and STALL at the bottom. There are casting numbers on the box but I haven't been able to make them out due to corrosion.

Drum and Winding Handle.

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This is quite a bulky device but I have no idea what its function is? The drum has a casting mark "ALCOA" on it and the body has the casting Mark 32 - L - 175 - 6. Consolidated's Type Number for the Liberator was 32 - is this something from a Lib?

American Fuel Controls.

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The two dials each appear to have similar markings although If I rub too hard, they fade so I can't make them out properly. The left hand dial is marked CLOSED - PRINCIPAL - AUX (? the lever masks this part) and the right hand one is marked CLOSED - MAIN - AUX. Interestingly, each tank's capacity has been overpainted in hand with measurements in Imperial Gallons, so presumably an American aeroplane in British service? The painted numbers are pretty delicate but the capacities may read something like 115.X Imp Gals for the Principal and main tanks and 22.X for the Auxiliary tanks. (X = unreadable). The casting may have the same "MAZLO" casting mark as the triple lever set shown previously, but I cannot make it out for certain.

Star wheel device.

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This may be another trim wheel, or perhaps it has some other purpose? It is a small alloy wheel and a paxolin type body. The only markings I can see are on the wheel. The casting number appears to be D10077 and there is a faint Part No. stamped on it: PD (or FD?) 6915X where "X" is indecipherable.

Mystery "Control Column".

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This is a beam, column or arm, approx. 8.5" long, at the end of which is a winding handle. Mounted on the handle is a moulded grip which contains an electrical press button. The moulded grip swivels about the winding handle. This has me completely beat, I've never seen anything like it. To add to the problem, I cannot trace a single stamp or part number on it! Over to the Forum experts.

British Trim Wheel.

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This is a single wheel on a pedestal. It may be a sub-assembly of a larger unit? Part numbers on the drum read E6570 and K56 47 426. There is an Inspector's stamp which reads PAC (over) 64. Percival aircraft?

British Trim Unit.

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Very corroded. There are two alloy plates which bear markings: a Part No. which looks like AJC351 and an Inspector's stamp which appears to be the letters S A (on top) with RG under. The letters S and A appear to be seperated by three tiny dots in a vertical line? Scottish Aviation?

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Continued...

Another American Trim Unit
Almost forgot this one. You can just make out the three quadrants on it. The top one is marked "ELEV.", the left hand one is marked "RUD." and the right hand one "AIL." Unfortunately, the casting is too corroded to make out any numbers.

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Two very battered and corroded American throttle boxes.

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The first seems to be designed to mount to a tubular cockpit structural member. On the front face of the quadrant you can just make out "BOOST CONTROL CUT-OUT" A Casting Number is FA PA 33753A (the 5 is not certain).

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The second unit has a Casting Number on the rear 106 48 (or 45) 111.

A small British panel (at least I thought it was).

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I felt confident a quick leaf through my cockpit photos would throw this one up but I can't pin it down. Anyone?

Lastly for now, another (better) photo of the unit Elliott has identified as coming from a Beaufighter. Comparing this with the line drawing from the A.P., I don't think there is any doubt. There are two examples from which it ought to be possible to make a good one.

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Thanks for the suggestions, emails and p.m.s, I'll get around to answering them a.s.a.p.

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The British trim wheel unit is I think from a Piston Provost throttle quadrant.

Rob

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The drum and winding handle (from a Lib?) may be for the trailing aerial, which was used in long-range types.

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Mystery "Control Column".

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This is one of the turret hand winding controls from a Martin 250CE turret

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One should have a fire button on it

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Hi Al, I tried sending a pm old chap but your box is full!

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HI, Your another American trim unit is from a P47 , any chance it's available as I have a rusted solid one I am trying to rebuild . I may be able to make one good unit from the 2.
Thanks Station 342.

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The small British panel,is Sea Venom.

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Hi Al, I have sent you a pm and email about one of your items! Cheers