By: adrian_gray
- 10th September 2019 at 15:41Permalink- Edited 10th September 2019 at 15:41
Thanks Stan, at least someone with experience telling it how it is,
I hate seeing pilots being criticised when the person doing the criticism has no skills other than tapping a computer keyboard.
Which is precisely why I made it clear that I had no practical experience and hoped to get information from those who had (eg Stan) - I want to learn from them.
There is, unfortunately, no way that anyone can prevent images like this from turning into CLICkBAIT HORROR!! headlines.
By: ozplane
- 10th September 2019 at 18:00Permalink
Looking at the Facebook pictures in the first post, it looks as though he was doing a "wing low in to the crosswind" approach judging by the windsock in a later picture. It only takes a strong gust to lift the low wing and things can rapidly get tricky. I had exactly the same problem going in to our farm strip last week but I was high enough to "go around", albeit not down the runway centreline. Could be entirely wrong though..
By: Bradburger
- 11th September 2019 at 01:15Permalink
We'll, this kind of things happens from time to time, whatever aircraft you are flying, despite your overall experience, and time on type!
Here's the late Spencer Flack's P-51 'Sunny VII' displaying at Cosford in 1991 in the hands of Rod Dean I believe: -
(Fwd to 1:08 or so if you want the 'exciting' bit!)
I've read/heard that the P-51 is quite prone to this happening when a sudden gust catches you by surprise, and seeing that this is the second P-51, and the third time I've seen evidence of it happening, it appears to be true!
By: Brenden S
- 11th September 2019 at 09:34Permalink
Looking at the photos the theory I have and seen myself is that it is a normal landing and then a gust of wind comes along and picks up the wing. I have seen many large aircraft land like this too where I live in Perth.
By: adrian_gray
- 11th September 2019 at 10:43Permalink
Presumably as the P-51 was built as a fighter aircraft, things like crosswind handling weren't high on the list of priorities when they were designed?* I know the Mustang had some *interesting* habits such as torque rolling round the prop if you opened the throttle too fast at low speed - at least one did this on approach at Debden, as a prop blade is on display in the antiques centre there - that must have been considered as acceptable risks.
Assuming that Brenden's theory is a good one, I guess that would be unavoidable without knowing that the gust was coming? And Bardburger's observation supports this.
Adrian
*This is assuming you can design such things in, of course, can you?
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By: adrian_gray - 10th September 2019 at 15:41 Permalink - Edited 10th September 2019 at 15:41
Which is precisely why I made it clear that I had no practical experience and hoped to get information from those who had (eg Stan) - I want to learn from them.
There is, unfortunately, no way that anyone can prevent images like this from turning into CLICkBAIT HORROR!! headlines.
Adrian
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By: ozplane - 10th September 2019 at 18:00 Permalink
Looking at the Facebook pictures in the first post, it looks as though he was doing a "wing low in to the crosswind" approach judging by the windsock in a later picture. It only takes a strong gust to lift the low wing and things can rapidly get tricky. I had exactly the same problem going in to our farm strip last week but I was high enough to "go around", albeit not down the runway centreline. Could be entirely wrong though..
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By: Peter - 11th September 2019 at 00:15 Permalink - Edited 11th September 2019 at 00:16
Gentlemen, lets act like adults.. If you want to bicker and argue then do it by PM....
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By: Bradburger - 11th September 2019 at 01:15 Permalink
We'll, this kind of things happens from time to time, whatever aircraft you are flying, despite your overall experience, and time on type!
Here's the late Spencer Flack's P-51 'Sunny VII' displaying at Cosford in 1991 in the hands of Rod Dean I believe: -
(Fwd to 1:08 or so if you want the 'exciting' bit!)
I've read/heard that the P-51 is quite prone to this happening when a sudden gust catches you by surprise, and seeing that this is the second P-51, and the third time I've seen evidence of it happening, it appears to be true!
Cheers
Paul
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By: Brenden S - 11th September 2019 at 09:34 Permalink
Looking at the photos the theory I have and seen myself is that it is a normal landing and then a gust of wind comes along and picks up the wing. I have seen many large aircraft land like this too where I live in Perth.
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By: adrian_gray - 11th September 2019 at 10:43 Permalink
Presumably as the P-51 was built as a fighter aircraft, things like crosswind handling weren't high on the list of priorities when they were designed?* I know the Mustang had some *interesting* habits such as torque rolling round the prop if you opened the throttle too fast at low speed - at least one did this on approach at Debden, as a prop blade is on display in the antiques centre there - that must have been considered as acceptable risks.
Assuming that Brenden's theory is a good one, I guess that would be unavoidable without knowing that the gust was coming? And Bardburger's observation supports this.
Adrian
*This is assuming you can design such things in, of course, can you?
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By: hampden98 - 11th September 2019 at 16:46 Permalink
Lanc was prone to leave the runway rather dramatically when they used to three point land her.
Mildenhall one year iirc was particularly interesting.
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By: Wyvernfan - 11th September 2019 at 16:51 Permalink
Indeed hampden but I thought that was brake related rather than crosswind?!
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By: Trolly Aux - 11th September 2019 at 16:53 Permalink
Wheeling it on in gusty conditions is best foot forward come in faster gives you a bit of a chance over the 3 pointer
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By: ChrisD - 12th September 2019 at 08:01 Permalink
I'd forgotten all about that but now you've reminded me , yes, that was an interesting landing!
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By: Pulsar-xp - 12th September 2019 at 10:23 Permalink
I thank everybody who is flying taildraggers, will know what happened to him! And nobody of us will say, that can ´t happen to me.....