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By: 11th September 2005 at 22:04 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Piper - Super Cub? Just a thought
By: 11th September 2005 at 22:39 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-What about......Lockheed.......... :confused:
Super Constellation
By: 11th September 2005 at 22:55 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-B29 Superfortress? That came into production before the Super Cub and Super Constellation, right?
By: 11th September 2005 at 23:39 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-B29 Superfortress? That came into production before the Super Cub and Super Constellation, right?
Certainly before the Super Connie, not sure about the Cub :confused:
By: 12th September 2005 at 07:41 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-The 'Super' marine Spitfire first flew in 1936!! :D
I'll get my coat...................
Ken
By: 12th September 2005 at 07:50 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-1930 Breguet 19 Super Bidon... ?
Cheers,
Oliver
By: 12th September 2005 at 09:08 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Thanks Oliver....
Just a couple of days ago I came across a photo of a Br 19 I have -but can't remember where I acquired it.
Roger Smith.
By: 12th September 2005 at 16:49 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-During the war years there were projects for the Super Stirling and Super Halifax.
Cees
By: 13th September 2005 at 02:35 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-How 'bout the Hawker Super-Fury(1930's) or the B-29 Super Fortress (1940's)? Dassault came to use that word on their aircraft in the mid 50's with the Super Mystere.
By: 13th September 2005 at 03:40 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Or the Bristol Superfreighter.
Best wishes
Steve P
By: 13th September 2005 at 04:13 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-I don't know if the B-29 qualifies....
It's name is Superfortress (one word). Since there never was a plane just named the "Fortress" .... I don't think it's what "Crazypilot" had in mind when he started the thread.
BTW: Here are some dates for the American aircraft:
Fokker Super Universal: US subsidiary (Atlantic Aircraft Corp.) larger version of the Universal...also built in Canada and Japan. ff: 1927
Lockheed Super Constallation : 1950
Piper Super Cub: ff:1949 (Taylor/Piper Cub dates to the 30's). And it wasn't the first "super" Piper...The PA-12 Super Cruiser...a postwar development of the three-seat J-5 first flew in 1945.
Douglas Super DC-3 (extensively modified DC-3/Dakota). ff. 1949
North American F-100 Super Sabre: ff:1953
Beechcraft Super 18...a development of the classic Model 18..ff: 1954
Aero Space Lines Super Guppy...outsized Boeing 377: 1960s
Bell 47J-3 Super Ranger, an Agusta developed version of the 47J. Some used for ASW missions by the Italian Navy. FF: mid-1960s.
Cessna 337 Super Skymaster/O-2 (a retractable gear development of the 336 "Skymaster". ff. 1965
Super Jolly Green Giant (Sikorsky HH-53): USAF version ff: 1967
There are many unofficial "supers". Although not a factory designation, DHC-1 Chipmunks modified for aerobatics were known as "Super Chimpmunks". ( I believe the first was Art Scholl's plane now in the NASM). Likewise, some modified PBY Catalinas were named "Super Cats".
By: 13th September 2005 at 16:26 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-I thought the there was only the Stratofortress...
J Boyle is right. I just asked which was the first manufacturer to use the "Super" designation to a radically modified version of the same aircraft. Eg Mystere-> Super Mystere, Harrier-> Super Harrier (BAE was considering a stealth Harrier in 1990) Hornet-> Super Hornet etc.
I read of the "Super Mustang", but this is a code name of USAF pilots because it was using Rolls-Royce engine while operating in Britain
By: 14th September 2005 at 08:57 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-The name Superfortress was a deliberate reference to the new B-29 being much bigger and better than the B-17 "Flying Fortress", as all of you should know! So yes, there WAS an aircraft named "Fortress" before the "Superfortress".
By: 15th September 2005 at 05:32 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-The name Superfortress was a deliberate reference to the new B-29 being much bigger and better than the B-17 "Flying Fortress", as all of you should know! So yes, there WAS an aircraft named "Fortress" before the "Superfortress".
You mean there was a Boeing bomber before the B-29??? :rolleyes:
No, the B-29 doesn't count...of course the name was supposed to invoke the B-17, but because "Superfortress " is one word not two like the "Flying Fortress" I don't think it was meant to imply an improved B-17.
And it's not an improved B-17. The B-29 has virtually nothing in common with the 17. Now if it were the B-50 as it relates to the the 29, or the Lincoln / Lancaster, it could possibly make sense, but the 29 wasn't an improved 17. Boeing knew that and I think they wanted everyone else to know it too.
Anyway, if that's what Boeing meant they would have named the plane the "Super Flying Fortress"....
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By: Crazypilot - 11th September 2005 at 21:47
Which was the first manufacturer to use the designation "Super" (eg. Super Etendard) to its planes? Dassault or Boeing?