By: Skyraider3D
- 25th March 2006 at 10:16Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
We supected a S. American sample also!
What criteria did you use to ID it so precisely? We are also interested to know it. Tks
Well to be honest it was a guess. I figured the aircraft was an STM-2. It doesn't have US Army titles on the bottom of the wings, so it's likely foreign. The only air forces I know that used the STM-2 were the Dutch and Guatemalan air forces. The wing markings match those of Guatemala.
By: fah619
- 8th April 2006 at 02:44Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Moroccan AF T-28 Fennecs
Pictured below is one of the X Moroccan AF T-28 Fennec samples confiscated at Ft. Lauderdale, Florida believed to be bound for Nicaragua also. Photo DPH via C/w.com
By: fah619
- 12th April 2006 at 22:49Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Latin American Aviation
Skyraider 3D:
Tks!
we have s few more to show. Stick around!!
The book is a bit behind schedule..but it is coming out soon. The Ryan with the six-point-star appears to be a demo Ryan for a foreign customer.c.1938.
By: fah619
- 13th April 2006 at 02:46Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Latin American Aviation
Skyraider3D:
We'll get bck to you with the P-47 "Razorbacks" question in 24 Hrs. Most of the P-47 Thunderbolts that came to the U.S fm Latin countries c.1970s were P-47D/P-47N models. Poss Brazil may have flown some during WW II.
By: fah619
- 13th April 2006 at 02:51Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
A Fokker 227 similar to the one below, Uruguayan AF (FAU) #571 crashed on the Chilean Andes c. Oct-1972. The sample below was used in the movie "ALIVE" c. 1992. East Coast USA. Photo Via DPH.
By: fah619
- 14th April 2006 at 01:34Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Latin American Aviation
Skyraider3D:
We did some digging about the P-47 Razorbacks in Latin America.
At least one sample was exported to the Bolivian AF. The earlier model P-47D AAF 42-8205. It never flew with Bolivian AF & ended-up as gate guardian Reg BAF 007. This particular sample came back to the U.S c.1970s and flies regularly in the U.S. It is on display at the Museum of Flight. Seattle. WA. Photo C. Gardner.
The second poss P-47 Razorback went to Brazil c. 1944. S/N 41-6037. Brazilian AF 4103. Ended-up in in a technical school in Brazil c. 1967. Ref. P-47 T-Bolt Book. The Final Chapter via D.P. Hagedorn. c. 1990s.
By: fah619
- 25th April 2006 at 05:13Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Latin American Aviation
Skyraider3D:
Pictured below is another Ryan STM with an alleged Guatemalan AF scheme. Picture c.1938 somewhere in St Diego, Calif during testing flights.
The criteria used by LAAHS.com to ID this particular aircraft as one of the Guatemalan AF samples is weak. It relies solely on the star diagram on the wings. In addition, none of these aircraft are shown in country showing any armament. We are still digging the origen of the 6 point star.
By: fah619
- 27th April 2006 at 02:29Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Latin American Aviation
SkyRaider3D:
The picture below shows a FAG Ryan #25 with a poss 6 point star. We are trying to get a better resolution of this picture to confirm it. In addition, it now appears that the 6 point star was used on FAG aircraft during pre- WW-II era and the 5 point after WW II. Photo FAG Archives c. 1939. TNT Honduras. via D.C
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By: Skyraider3D - 12th March 2006 at 23:45 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Guatemalan air force Ryan STM-2?
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By: fah619 - 13th March 2006 at 02:20 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Picture ID
Skyraider3D:
We supected a S. American sample also!
What criteria did you use to ID it so precisely? We are also interested to know it. Tks
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By: fah619 - 24th March 2006 at 02:32 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Skyraider3D:
Just to make an observation ck the U.S stars design in this picture. Photo Ryan. c. 1938
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By: fah619 - 24th March 2006 at 02:37 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
p.s Illustrated below the star design on a U.S Ryan ST. San Diego. c. 1938. Photo Ryan.
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By: Skyraider3D - 25th March 2006 at 10:16 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Well to be honest it was a guess. I figured the aircraft was an STM-2. It doesn't have US Army titles on the bottom of the wings, so it's likely foreign. The only air forces I know that used the STM-2 were the Dutch and Guatemalan air forces. The wing markings match those of Guatemala.
http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/waf/americas/guatemala/Guatemala-af-RyanSTM2.htm
PS. The six-sided stars are very unusual!!!
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By: fah619 - 28th March 2006 at 00:16 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
FAG Ryans
Skyraider3D:
Rg! We are doing some more digging on the 6 point star. Tks!
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By: fah619 - 5th April 2006 at 02:29 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
FAH 605
Vought F4U-5N FAH 605 on alert status at Toncontin Airport, Honduras. July 1976. Photo FVA via C/w.com
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By: fah619 - 8th April 2006 at 02:44 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Moroccan AF T-28 Fennecs
Pictured below is one of the X Moroccan AF T-28 Fennec samples confiscated at Ft. Lauderdale, Florida believed to be bound for Nicaragua also. Photo DPH via C/w.com
p.s Reg ------>HR-228A
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By: Sentinel - 8th April 2006 at 05:09 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Ecuador's Firsts Jets
Ecuador was one of the first latin american countries with Jets.
English Electric Canberra Mk-6 (1954)
Gloster Meteor FR-9 ( 1954)
Lockheed T-33A (1956)
Lockheed F-80 Shooting Star (1958)
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By: fah619 - 12th April 2006 at 03:51 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Latin American Aviation
A classic Ryan STM Guatemalan AF (FAG) #31. Somewhere Guatemala. c.1939. Photo via E. Cassagneres.
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By: Skyraider3D - 12th April 2006 at 20:50 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Very nice pictures, guys!
I am still waiting for my Latin American Air Wars & Aircraft book which was supposedly released a month ago. Again Ian Allan let me down... :(
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By: fah619 - 12th April 2006 at 22:49 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Latin American Aviation
Skyraider 3D:
Tks!
we have s few more to show. Stick around!!
The book is a bit behind schedule..but it is coming out soon. The Ryan with the six-point-star appears to be a demo Ryan for a foreign customer.c.1938.
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By: Skyraider3D - 12th April 2006 at 23:02 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Ah interesting! :)
PS. Do you know if any Razorback Thunderbolts found their way to Latin America?
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By: fah619 - 13th April 2006 at 02:46 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Latin American Aviation
Skyraider3D:
We'll get bck to you with the P-47 "Razorbacks" question in 24 Hrs. Most of the P-47 Thunderbolts that came to the U.S fm Latin countries c.1970s were P-47D/P-47N models. Poss Brazil may have flown some during WW II.
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By: fah619 - 13th April 2006 at 02:51 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
A Fokker 227 similar to the one below, Uruguayan AF (FAU) #571 crashed on the Chilean Andes c. Oct-1972. The sample below was used in the movie "ALIVE" c. 1992. East Coast USA. Photo Via DPH.
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By: fah619 - 14th April 2006 at 01:34 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Latin American Aviation
Skyraider3D:
We did some digging about the P-47 Razorbacks in Latin America.
At least one sample was exported to the Bolivian AF. The earlier model P-47D AAF 42-8205. It never flew with Bolivian AF & ended-up as gate guardian Reg BAF 007. This particular sample came back to the U.S c.1970s and flies regularly in the U.S. It is on display at the Museum of Flight. Seattle. WA. Photo C. Gardner.
The second poss P-47 Razorback went to Brazil c. 1944. S/N 41-6037. Brazilian AF 4103. Ended-up in in a technical school in Brazil c. 1967. Ref. P-47 T-Bolt Book. The Final Chapter via D.P. Hagedorn. c. 1990s.
All for now!!
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By: Skyraider3D - 15th April 2006 at 01:45 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Thanks!! :)
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By: fah619 - 25th April 2006 at 05:13 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Latin American Aviation
Skyraider3D:
Pictured below is another Ryan STM with an alleged Guatemalan AF scheme. Picture c.1938 somewhere in St Diego, Calif during testing flights.
The criteria used by LAAHS.com to ID this particular aircraft as one of the Guatemalan AF samples is weak. It relies solely on the star diagram on the wings. In addition, none of these aircraft are shown in country showing any armament. We are still digging the origen of the 6 point star.
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By: Skyraider3D - 25th April 2006 at 08:13 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Hmmm... it does seem to lack the USAAF striping on the rudder, but it's really hard to tell.
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By: fah619 - 27th April 2006 at 02:29 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Latin American Aviation
SkyRaider3D:
The picture below shows a FAG Ryan #25 with a poss 6 point star. We are trying to get a better resolution of this picture to confirm it. In addition, it now appears that the 6 point star was used on FAG aircraft during pre- WW-II era and the 5 point after WW II. Photo FAG Archives c. 1939. TNT Honduras. via D.C