Hawker Sea Hurricane X11A (BW853 / G-BRKE)

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I don't know if this has been discussed on here before although I am sure I have read about it somewhere but maybe not here and I did try searching on the serial numbers to no avail. If it has, Mods please move this post. In 10 days time (3 lottery draws to go) , the above Sea Hurricane is being sold by Bonhams at the Goodwood Revival Auction with a guide price of £30-40k which seems remarkably cheap. Interesting story behind it http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=EUR&screen=lotdetailsNoFlash&iSaleItemNo=4051812&iSaleNo=16252&iSaleSectionNo=2 Hope the link works, if not go to www.bonhams.com, look for lot 319 at the Goodwood Revival Auction on 19th September. Off now to buy a lottery ticket or two Mark
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I don't know if this has been discussed on here before although I am sure I have read about it somewhere but maybe not here and I did try searching on the serial numbers to no avail. If it has, Mods please move this post. In 10 days time (3 lottery draws to go) , the above Sea Hurricane is being sold by Bonhams at the Goodwood Revival Auction with a guide price of £30-40k which seems remarkably cheap. Interesting story behind it http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=EUR&screen=lotdetailsNoFlash&iSaleItemNo=4051812&iSaleNo=16252&iSaleSectionNo=2 Hope the link works, if not go to www.bonhams.com, look for lot 319 at the Goodwood Revival Auction on 19th September. Off now to buy a lottery ticket or two Mark
It looks like it spent more time in the repair shops than flying :) I wonder what the final cost of restoring it would be,it says "With a completed value in excess of £2m " Be lovely to think she could stay here and be restored back to flying. Must check my lottery as well :)
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Hope tom blair or stephen grey know about it!!
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Doesn't seem to need much doing to it, just an engine ,some wings another stuff. I reckon it will go for over £200k.

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Hurricane looks good value, no wings though unless just not photographed....i would be surprised if it went for less than £100k

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Love this bit!- 'A restored Hurricane must be proved to be 100% genuine to be CAA registered and ‘BW 853’ is already recognised and registered as ‘G-BRKE’, this having been done some 19 years ago' and -'Most importantly: it also retains the original date plate - another item essential for qualification as a totally ‘genuine’ Hurricane. Nearly spat me coffee out!

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Panzer - Most Hurricanes go through the rebuild process of inspecting and replacing most of the fuselage tubes. Add to that an expensive rebuild of the centre section and I don't get the feel of a 200K project.

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Okay, since my initial post I have looked in to the subject of Hurricane restoration a bit more. Various articles I have found quote 40,000 / 50,000 man hours to complete the airframe so lets say at an average of £10 per hour which gives a labor bill of £500k. Another article from 2001 quoted £600k of parts needed so again lets go for £750k in todays terms. Add on another £150k? for the airframe and you are now looking at a total bill of £1.4m to get it in the air again which when taken in to consideration with a post rebuild sale price of £2m i.e. an approx. 50% profit on a 3-4 year rebuild investment it brings it all in to perspective. And it dosent end there... Annual insurance of approx. £50k Annual servicing another £30k approx. £1k per hour additional operating costs (fuel, oil, hangarage etc.) So to fly it for 50 hours p.a. you are looking at an ongoing annual budget of £130k. I guess we are looking at a minimum of a double roll over to make it feasible - unless of course I can talk my wife out of her need for a pair of Jimmy Choo shoes! Mark
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£10 per hour. Can I have some of that? Commercial hourly rate would be either side of £40 ph. ...but to change the oil in your car, more than twice that. :) Mark

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£10 per hour. Can I have some of that? Commercial hourly rate would be either side of £40 ph. ...but to change the oil in your car, more than twice that. :) Mark
Very true - which makes the £2m post restoration price tag more of an indication of costs involved which again ties up with another report I read of a completed Hurricane being worth £3m, so the 50% profit figure also fits. Mark
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There is NO profit in restoring aircraft. Newly restored aircraft usually sell for LESS than the cost of restoration. So if you are in the market for old aircraft, buy a good restored example. That is the cheap way out;)
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Very true - which makes the £2m post restoration price tag more of an indication of costs involved which again ties up with another report I read of a completed Hurricane being worth £3m, so the 50% profit figure also fits. Mark
Its 'worth' whatever anyone is prepared to pay for it. To date, I am unaware of any Hurricane that has sold for £2m, let alone 3. As Galdri says above, if you want a cheap aeroplane, then buy one that is already flying. If you want a Hurricane restored, then take it to HRL - it wont be cheap, but they have the experience, expertise and tooling to make it happen. No-one else does..... Bruce

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Its 'worth' whatever anyone is prepared to pay for it. To date, I am unaware of any Hurricane that has sold for £2m, let alone 3. As Galdri says above, if you want a cheap aeroplane, then buy one that is already flying. If you want a Hurricane restored, then take it to HRL - it wont be cheap, but they have the experience, expertise and tooling to make it happen. No-one else does..... Bruce
A lot of the info I used came from the HRL web-site - so to sum up the very valid points made by Galdri and Bruce above and to borrow a well known advert: Cost of rebuilding a Hurricane - Whatever it costs Owning a Hurricane - Priceless

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What it went for!!!!!!!!! I had a peek on Bonhams site the monday after the event, would you believe it sold for £8050 pound inc buyers premium...... It would appear that a lot of people know the true cost of a Hurricane rebuild and were not ready to have their pockets cleaned out before they'd even started! Mind you it did make me think....I could have scratched up £8K from somewhere and owned a Hurricane! all be it a very 'tech' one. Just imagine the talk at the clubhouse......" yeah the a/c's in the hangar at the mo", "oh really I didn't know you had one, what sort?"....."Sea hurricane.":D At least someone bought it and hopefully it will rise from the ashes in the near future.
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Reviving a long dead thread here. What happened to it. It is stated as just a fuselage, and stored at Kemble on the Hurricane survivors website, and in the 2016 Military Aircraft Markings, but no mention of it in Wrecks and Relics.
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I think this was the one that Kevin Wheatcroft bought - he was at the auction and it was so cheap he couldnt say no! :)

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It’s since moved on from Kevin, I saw it only recently at its new home. FB

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I can confirm it is currently in Oxfordshire, it has recently gained a pair of wings and a Merlin 29. I can't say too much more at this stage, but will update very soon.