Mig 1.41 / 1.43 contest

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I am curious if anyone has any drawings or photos of two prototypes Mig 1.41 and 1.43. I recently learned that features of the two were combined to make Mig 1.42 which later was modified to well known Mig 1.44 which actually flew once.

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The "product 41", easy fighter, looks as JF-17 or JAS-39. Photos and drawings are not present

1981 (on other data 1984-85) - the one-impellent easy fighter designated by the code number «41». It was supposed, that at the first stage the plane will be equipped with engine R-33 with draught 8300 кгс, and at the second stage - the modified engine with draught 10000 кгс. The fighter was originally projected under the normal aerodynamic scheme, it had a wing with flow and lateral air inlets. The take-off weight with two rockets Р-73 made 9,5 т. At the first stage it should be established radar type "Mosquito" with the usual parabolic aerial, at the second stage - station with the phased antenna lattice. Speed was limited to number М=1,7, launch and planting from a ground were provided range of flight reached 2000 km, with additional fuel tanks - 3000 km. On a fighter rockets of near fight Р-60 or Р-73Э could be suspended, the shooting arms consisted of gun ГШ-301, the weight of bombing loading made to 3,5 т.
In the second variant of aerodynamic configuration the fighter had no horizontal tail plumage, and before a wing the small forward horizontal plumage settled down. This variant on letno-technical characteristics and take-off weight practically did not differ from the first. More careful study of an air inlet has shown possibility of increase in number of M to 1,84.
... Normal take-off weight - 9800 kg, weight of fuel 2900 - 3000 kg, engine RD-33K, the onboard equipment are similar МиГ-29М (it is cut down in a mode "air-surface"), lost МиГ-29 on the established maneuver, won on not established maneuver (loading on a wing), confidently left on the big corners of attack, big altitude and subsonic range.
There it was possible to depart "slightly" from the scheme in which it is executed "JAS-39" that has given a number of advantages, and in unevidently connected directions. For example, on stability on the big corners + reduction of weight of a glider + serious decrease in labour input of operation.
The "classical" configuration was simultaneously drawn also, but she seriously lost - in so small dimension "classic" difficultly to extend on good level.

MiG 1.44 pre-production model of a fighter of the fifth generation. MiG 1.42 - the serial sample of a fighter. MiG 1.43 and MiG 1.46 - the further development of the project.

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Thanks for the info Paralay!. I read in "Soviet X-Planes" book about converging of 1.41 and 1.43 into the winner design 1.42(at the time).

Floyd,
I have same opinion about intakes. It would be so much more slick if it looking at the intake sideways, it didn't go down(perpendicular to body, but under angle, sort of cut backwards like mig-29/Mig-1.44, while keeping same V shape when looking from the below.

1.42 looks like ultimate 4.5 generation multipurpose combat airplane. Kind of like combining Mig-31 might with Su-35 flexibility and good looks.

too bad no drawings of 1.41 and 1.43

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By the way, what is the current status of MiG I-44?
There are some pictures showing that it is still in flying conditions, but I have some doubts if he will ever fly again.... unless as a flying test-bed, such as the Su-47 Berkoot!

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MiG 1.44, MAKS-2009

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was there really an internal bay for the MiG-1.44? most pictures show that there's no panel underneath. only pylons

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was there really an internal bay for the MiG-1.44? most pictures show that there's no panel underneath. only pylons

Yes, 1.44 demonstrator has the internal bay, however it was covered by the pannel. It means no weapons bay doors. They should be mounted later, but this never happened.

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From the pictures and renderings it appears:

-The MiG 1.44 had a bay hidden inside it but the only demonstrator built had that bay covered with a panel instead of working doors. Did the panel have hardpoints on it as well?

-The MiG 1.42 production aircraft was planned to have no bay and four hardpoints at the corners of the fuselage kind of like a F-15, and capable of carrying heavy missiles. Isn't this kind of un-stealthy compared to an internal bay?

Are these details correct?

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looking at this photo, it does seem there are 3 doors under, and one near each corner totaling 5! This is if each bay( missile point) had single door.
Kind of hard to see.

No I doubt 1.44 or 1.42 were ever planned without internal bays as final design.

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1. Section of two constructed fuselages
2. Possible development

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Is it still mystery the cockpit of this fighter? After we saw the cockpit of the PAK-FA maybe the reason is its outdated mechanic displays!

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The cockpit looked approximately so:

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Thanks Paralay hope to see the real one :)

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Heh.. I wonder how mouch of the MiG-1:42 we'll see resurfaceing in the shape of J-XX... ;)

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Is it still mystery the cockpit of this fighter? After we saw the cockpit of the PAK-FA maybe the reason is its outdated mechanic displays!

You can briefly see the cockpit on the video below (@ 0:07):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKTLfgc3bDU

Heh.. I wonder how mouch of the MiG-1:42 we'll see resurfaceing in the shape of J-XX... ;)

I expect the Chinese J-xx to be a modernised Mig-1.44 or at least based on it. They were apparently offered a partnership deal and access to the plans back in the 1990's.

Some Chinese internet speculation...

http://img3067.imagevenue.com/loc434/th_08036_16583512_122_434lo.jpg http://img3067.imagevenue.com/loc131/th_08116_50304868_122_131lo.jpg

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hi all,

first post on this forum, but have enjoyed it for some years now.
if you look at this link http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_3wZSwFvZzqM/TIP2dJEeYkI/AAAAAAAAIgE/i1FfZQ-ofP8/s1600/1283684470_56760.jpg from China defense forum, it posts pictures from a russian mag that looks from a russian perspective the development of the J-10. It looks similar to the Mig 1-42 posted by parlay and floyd

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I expect the Chinese J-xx to be a modernised Mig-1.44 or at least based on it. They were apparently offered a partnership deal and access to the plans back in the 1990's.

Some Chinese internet speculation...

http://img3067.imagevenue.com/loc434/th_08036_16583512_122_434lo.jpg http://img3067.imagevenue.com/loc131/th_08116_50304868_122_131lo.jpg[/QUOTE]

Me too, It only makes sense whenit comes to Chinese current development in this field. It might even be a great design.

hi all,

first post on this forum, but have enjoyed it for some years now.
if you look at this link http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_3wZSwFvZzq...4470_56760.jpg from China defense forum, it posts pictures from a russian mag that looks from a russian perspective the development of the J-10. It looks similar to the Mig 1-42 posted by parlay and floyd

Very interesting post, Thanks!

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due to lack of pictures, i have my old shots of models i made about 8 years ago of what would have been Mig-29A next to Mig-1.44 size comparison.

Looking at the wing area and just overall, Mig.144 certainly looks like it could easily take on the Mig-31 role as well as mig-29 and Su-35. I bet it is a great start design for next Chinese J-XX

wish i had more to contribute. Well hopefully this thread will bring out more forgotten sources/links.

best regards, and thanks for all contribution!!!

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Thanks lenevolk but its Su-27SM cockpit :)

I was under the impression that the Su-27SM cockpit layout was based on the Mig-1.44 but looking at it properly - you're right.

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Wanderlei,

nice model.

As for the Chinese J-xx, who knows for sure but it's a possibility.