By: Y-20 Bacon
- 28th November 2015 at 16:43Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
How about comparing like to like? Acquisition cost to acquisition cost. (Or for that matter, USD to USD.) The $24 billion includes capital expenditure incurred over the lifetime of the aircraft, which presumably include an MLU for example.
The budget for the F-35A acquisition stands at A$17 billion, or $12.25 billion. Which equals about $170 mil per jet.
That by the way is also roughly what the South Koreans are paying for their jets - $175 mil ($7bn for 40 F-35As).
Also if you'd like to include the Kuwaiti deal, I suppose it would only be fair to include the cost of the (similar) Qatari deal that you conveniently omitted, eh?
Rafale (Qatar): 7.0 billion USD for 24 fighters --> Around 291.7 million USD per unit.
X-posted on Rafale thread. Best to continue it there.
if your estimate for F-35 is true, it would be hard to choose a rafale or typhoon over an F-35 (or a gripen if you were more concerned with peace time operations)
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By: hopsalot
- 28th November 2015 at 17:41Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
if your estimate for F-35 is true, it would be hard to choose a rafale or typhoon over an F-35 (or a gripen if you were more concerned with peace time operations)
Which matches what has happened in the export market of course.
JAS-39E (Brazil AF)：4.7 billion USDs for 36 fighters --> Around 130.5 million USDs per unit.
Rafale (Indian AF)：8.3 billion USDs for 36 fighters --> Around 230.5 million USDs per unit.
Eurofighter (Kuwait AF)：8.0 billion Euros for 28 fighters --> Around 285.7 million Euros or 302.8 million USDs per unit.
F-35A (RAAF)：24.0 billion USDs for 70 fighters --> Around 342.8 million USDs per unit.
1. It seems that the price of FAB's Gripen procurement mentioned above doesn't include the service life cost and weapon cost, but include the cost for integrating Brazilian avionics and weapons, and the cost for setting up the domestic production line.
2. According to the Norwegian official estimation during 2011 and Canadian official estimation during 2012, the whole life cost (40 to 42 years of service life) for F-35A shall be 40 billion USDs for the Norwegian's 52 fighters or 44.8 billion USDs for the Canadian's 65 fighters. Therefore, l don't think that 24 billion USDs can include the 40 years life-cycle cost for RAAF's 70 F-35A.
3. And if my memory is not wrong, the price of Indian Rafale's deal should also include the service life cost of 20 to 25 years.
4. The Quatar AF's Rafale deal include the cost of weapon procurement ~ Does the cost of RAAF's F-35A procurement also include such cost??
By: Halo
- 8th December 2015 at 05:15Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
To all who doubted that Meteor would be integrated as fast as indicated..
MBDA Offers Meteor For RTAF Gripen
"According to a Thai Military and Asian Region report, the Meteor BRAAM production is underway and should enter service on Gripen aircraft of the Swedish Air Force by the end of this year. The Meteor capability is a part of Saab's latest MS20 (Materiel System 20) combat systems update."
The country is now looking to keep eight MiGs in the air for longer, with contacts already with Russian suppliers.[...]
The recent purchase of two Alenia Aermacchi C-27J Spartans and UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters doesn’t allow for more defense spending, the government in Bratislava has said.
The final decision on whether Gripens will protect Slovak airspace or not the ministry representatives leave to their successors after the March 2016 parliament elections, according to Defence Ministry spokesperson Martina Balleková.
Seems to me the incumbent Slovak government is acting in a responsible manner. With the possibility of a change in administration in March, it would be a waste of tax payers' money to spend more time on negotiating a Gripen deal if any new administration might scrap the deal.
Might get scrapped for political reasons (change of policy), postponed for a time (for budgetary reasons) or postponed indefinitely.
By: Marius Titulesc
- 9th February 2017 at 14:01Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Still not closed for some reason?
Has everything been moved at the new thread?
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By: Y-20 Bacon - 28th November 2015 at 16:43 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
if your estimate for F-35 is true, it would be hard to choose a rafale or typhoon over an F-35 (or a gripen if you were more concerned with peace time operations)
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By: hopsalot - 28th November 2015 at 17:41 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Which matches what has happened in the export market of course.
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By: TomcatViP - 28th November 2015 at 22:33 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
This is why the price as quoted is absurd.
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By: MSphere - 29th November 2015 at 01:07 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
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By: toan - 29th November 2015 at 14:33 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
1. It seems that the price of FAB's Gripen procurement mentioned above doesn't include the service life cost and weapon cost, but include the cost for integrating Brazilian avionics and weapons, and the cost for setting up the domestic production line.
2. According to the Norwegian official estimation during 2011 and Canadian official estimation during 2012, the whole life cost (40 to 42 years of service life) for F-35A shall be 40 billion USDs for the Norwegian's 52 fighters or 44.8 billion USDs for the Canadian's 65 fighters. Therefore, l don't think that 24 billion USDs can include the 40 years life-cycle cost for RAAF's 70 F-35A.
3. And if my memory is not wrong, the price of Indian Rafale's deal should also include the service life cost of 20 to 25 years.
4. The Quatar AF's Rafale deal include the cost of weapon procurement ~ Does the cost of RAAF's F-35A procurement also include such cost??
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By: JakobS - 29th November 2015 at 23:04 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The service life is included, but not weapons cost, those are finalized outside of the deal.
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By: Halo - 8th December 2015 at 05:15 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
To all who doubted that Meteor would be integrated as fast as indicated..
MBDA Offers Meteor For RTAF Gripen
"According to a Thai Military and Asian Region report, the Meteor BRAAM production is underway and should enter service on Gripen aircraft of the Swedish Air Force by the end of this year. The Meteor capability is a part of Saab's latest MS20 (Materiel System 20) combat systems update."
http://www.gripenblogs.com/default.aspx
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By: TomcatViP - 18th December 2015 at 23:00 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Gripen off the table in slovakia
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By: walkinginshadow - 1st January 2016 at 20:05 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Is it?
http://spectator.sme.sk/c/20069523/conditions-of-gripen-jet-fighters-rental-agreed.html
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By: Spitfire9 - 2nd January 2016 at 14:40 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Seems to me the incumbent Slovak government is acting in a responsible manner. With the possibility of a change in administration in March, it would be a waste of tax payers' money to spend more time on negotiating a Gripen deal if any new administration might scrap the deal.
Might get scrapped for political reasons (change of policy), postponed for a time (for budgetary reasons) or postponed indefinitely.
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By: velociraptor - 23rd January 2016 at 05:48 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I found a link to this piece on https://twitter.com/gripennews , thought it might be worth linking here.. : http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/22/american-gripen-the-solution-to-the-f-35-nightmare/
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By: Spyhawk - 23rd January 2016 at 10:31 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
New thread is located here: http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?137530-SAAB-Gripen-and-Gripen-NG-thread-4
Please close this one.
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By: Marius Titulesc - 9th February 2017 at 14:01 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Still not closed for some reason?
Has everything been moved at the new thread?
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