By: Dr.Snufflebug
- 26th February 2013 at 02:36Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Well luckily the Ka-52K is not Serbian. ;)
It's just two different routes really. From what I gather katran is some kind of proto-Slavic for something (like soil) seeping with a thick dark fluid, tar-like, wet coal, like bitumen or what have you. For reference: http://www.slovopedia.com/22/202/1634761.html
I don't know of any contemporary Russian word that directly traces back to that particular piece of etymology but it seems to be incredibly old and well established in certain Slavic contexts.
As far as the Ka-52K is concerned the name is obviously taken from an order of sharks (Squaliformes) that are called katran in both Russian and Ukrainian (a word that is probably derived from the Greek word for the same shark, κεντρόνι/kentroni, which I would guess, I'm not entirely sure, itself derives from the term stinging/to sting - κεντύ, as the sharks in question tend to possess stinger-like venomous spines).
But venomous spines aside, these sharks are tiny and not very intimidating. The venom in question is mild as well, bee sting-like tops. Then again a certain amount of modesty is always good, quite unlike the mighty dragons and blades of thunderous glory that we keep hearing about. Is it just me or does that kind of have an effect opposite to what is (presumably) intended? :p
By: niksi
- 26th February 2013 at 09:54Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
It's just two different routes really. From what I gather katran is some kind of proto-Slavic for something (like soil) seeping with a thick dark fluid, tar-like, wet coal, like bitumen or what have you. For reference: http://www.slovopedia.com/22/202/1634761.html
I don't know of any contemporary Russian word that directly traces back to that particular piece of etymology but it seems to be incredibly old and well established in certain Slavic contexts.
As far as the Ka-52K is concerned the name is obviously taken from an order of sharks (Squaliformes) that are called katran in both Russian and Ukrainian (a word that is probably derived from the Greek word for the same shark, κεντρόνι/kentroni, which I would guess, I'm not entirely sure, itself derives from the term stinging/to sting - κεντύ, as the sharks in question tend to possess stinger-like venomous spines).
But venomous spines aside, these sharks are tiny and not very intimidating. The venom in question is mild as well, bee sting-like tops. Then again a certain amount of modesty is always good, quite unlike the mighty dragons and blades of thunderous glory that we keep hearing about. Is it just me or does that kind of have an effect opposite to what is (presumably) intended? :p
By: paralay
- 26th February 2013 at 16:37Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
It's just two different routes really. From what I gather katran is some kind of proto-Slavic for something (like soil) seeping with a thick dark fluid, tar-like, wet coal, like bitumen or what have you...
Correctly. "Tar spin" - "Спина как смола" (RUS) :)
By: MSphere
- 28th February 2013 at 23:00Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Ain't that a PS job? While the tips of the white R-77s on the port wing are nicely in-line with the leading edge, the red R-77 with tan-colored radome on the starboard wing seems to be completely off.
By: Wanderlei
- 1st March 2013 at 05:22Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Ain't that a PS job? While the tips of the white R-77s on the port wing are nicely in-line with the leading edge, the red R-77 with tan-colored radome on the starboard wing seems to be completely off.
look very real even when zoomed in (a lot). Also, all the missiles have different crappy paint, and are at slightly different angle in relation to camera. I'm no expert though.
can anyone comment on versions and range of these R-77s? There is definitely at least two versions distinguishable.
By: Flanker_man
- 1st March 2013 at 13:54Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Ain't that a PS job? While the tips of the white R-77s on the port wing are nicely in-line with the leading edge, the red R-77 with tan-colored radome on the starboard wing seems to be completely off.
The two outer white missiles on the port side are in line - the inner one is further back - the inner (of the 3) wing pylon is set further back - so the missile is further back - and not in line with the other two.
The same applies to the starboard wing - the red-with-tan-radome missile on the inner of the 3 wing pylons is further back - and not in line with the other two wing missiles.
By: Tu 160
- 3rd March 2013 at 01:35Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Earlier it was reported that VVS is going back from the bluish grey monotone paint scheme to the previous lighter blue camo as on Su 35 01-04 and other variations but latest production units from all plants are still coming out in the bluish grey monotone paint scheme so the reverse to previous camo was a rumor?
Also when will the new planned pre 1943 style all red star going to be implemented?
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By: TR1 - 25th February 2013 at 23:33 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Well luckily the Ka-52K is not Serbian. ;)
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By: Dr.Snufflebug - 26th February 2013 at 02:36 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
It's just two different routes really. From what I gather katran is some kind of proto-Slavic for something (like soil) seeping with a thick dark fluid, tar-like, wet coal, like bitumen or what have you. For reference:
http://www.slovopedia.com/22/202/1634761.html
I don't know of any contemporary Russian word that directly traces back to that particular piece of etymology but it seems to be incredibly old and well established in certain Slavic contexts.
As far as the Ka-52K is concerned the name is obviously taken from an order of sharks (Squaliformes) that are called katran in both Russian and Ukrainian (a word that is probably derived from the Greek word for the same shark, κεντρόνι/kentroni, which I would guess, I'm not entirely sure, itself derives from the term stinging/to sting - κεντύ, as the sharks in question tend to possess stinger-like venomous spines).
But venomous spines aside, these sharks are tiny and not very intimidating. The venom in question is mild as well, bee sting-like tops. Then again a certain amount of modesty is always good, quite unlike the mighty dragons and blades of thunderous glory that we keep hearing about. Is it just me or does that kind of have an effect opposite to what is (presumably) intended? :p
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By: niksi - 26th February 2013 at 09:54 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
My Goodness Doctor, I enjoyed reading this :D :p
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By: MadRat - 26th February 2013 at 10:27 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Seems silly that the name was used for one of their classes of boats, too.
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By: CoffeeBean - 26th February 2013 at 11:33 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
c/o Pyogi
More pics here - http://www.photoyogi.com/Airplanes/aeroindia2013
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By: ink - 26th February 2013 at 16:13 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Thanks Doc, great post!
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By: paralay - 26th February 2013 at 16:37 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Correctly. "Tar spin" - "Спина как смола" (RUS) :)
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By: Dr.Snufflebug - 26th February 2013 at 17:06 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
So there you go, perhaps the Greek connection is wrong (despite how fitting it sounds) and it was tar all along? :)
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By: TR1 - 28th February 2013 at 05:34 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Looks like the new shelters are spreading.
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By: Austin - 28th February 2013 at 07:00 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Whats good about this new shelters ?
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By: TR1 - 28th February 2013 at 09:34 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
It exists. :p
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By: TR1 - 28th February 2013 at 10:19 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
http://russianplanes.net/images/to100000/099325.jpg
These Su-35 pics keep on commin...
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By: QuantumFX - 28th February 2013 at 11:45 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Holy :eek::eek::eek::eek:
talk about air-superiority
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By: MSphere - 28th February 2013 at 23:00 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Ain't that a PS job? While the tips of the white R-77s on the port wing are nicely in-line with the leading edge, the red R-77 with tan-colored radome on the starboard wing seems to be completely off.
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By: haavarla - 28th February 2013 at 23:18 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Looks real enough for me..
Whats the story with the differend color on those missiles?
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By: Wanderlei - 1st March 2013 at 05:22 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
look very real even when zoomed in (a lot). Also, all the missiles have different crappy paint, and are at slightly different angle in relation to camera. I'm no expert though.
can anyone comment on versions and range of these R-77s? There is definitely at least two versions distinguishable.
thanks in advance.
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By: thobbes - 1st March 2013 at 05:49 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Training weapons?
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By: Flanker_man - 1st March 2013 at 13:54 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The two outer white missiles on the port side are in line - the inner one is further back - the inner (of the 3) wing pylon is set further back - so the missile is further back - and not in line with the other two.
The same applies to the starboard wing - the red-with-tan-radome missile on the inner of the 3 wing pylons is further back - and not in line with the other two wing missiles.
Ken
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By: TR1 - 2nd March 2013 at 22:27 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/471136.html
Somewhat of a first- HAL got a contract from Irkut for RC1 and RC2 processors for the Bard radar- for RuAF Su-30SMs by the look of it.
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By: Tu 160 - 3rd March 2013 at 01:35 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Earlier it was reported that VVS is going back from the bluish grey monotone paint scheme to the previous lighter blue camo as on Su 35 01-04 and other variations but latest production units from all plants are still coming out in the bluish grey monotone paint scheme so the reverse to previous camo was a rumor?
Also when will the new planned pre 1943 style all red star going to be implemented?