By: Berkut
- 2nd January 2013 at 17:15Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Somewhat a continuation of what was discussed in J-20 thread. I always assumed that stinger was same length of Su-35S as on Su-27, but that doesn't seem to be the case! With some help of a friend of mine and after lots of pictures:
So Su-35S is a bit longer than Su-27.
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By: Anonymous
- 2nd January 2013 at 17:57Permalink- Edited 22nd October 2019 at 22:31
Note that #01 has a non-standard, longer stinger, possibly containing a drag chute as on T-50 #051! I would expect a fully production representative airframe to be the same length as a vanilla Su-27.
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By: Berkut
- 2nd January 2013 at 18:50Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Note that #01 has a non-standard, longer stinger, possibly containing a drag chute as on T-50 #051! I would expect a fully production representative airframe to be the same length as a vanilla Su-27.
Hmm now that you say it i am reminded of that shiny metal ring that is seen on S-1 "nekkid" pictures. I think that one is extra on S-1 only vs prototypes and later models. So yeah, that explains it, Su-35S length is same as Su-27 then!
Notice S-1 doesn't have actuators for cone to open, so if it has chute, then it is activated same way as on "51". If it is, then than means S-1 have done stall tests and extra length comes from extra big parachute or something related.
By: mack8
- 2nd January 2013 at 19:42Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I think the cone length is the same on the Su-35Ss, only that on S-1 there are no antennas or CHFL dispensers or the chute.
Regretably, when Knaapo put their high-rez images up , i got lazy downloading the Su-35S-2 pics bar one image (which i will post), which unfortunately does not seems to be part of the gallery anymore (i don't think anyone saved the Su-35S galleries in their original form by any chance -before the bandwidth issue? :()
You can compare this pic of S-2 to S-1 pretty well i think.
By: stambe_mig
- 2nd January 2013 at 20:48Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
First Happy New Year and marry Christmas!
I got this picture:
About Миг-31БМ
We see on the picture search radar range is 240 km. but on the video below pilot has say that new Миг-31БМ increase radar range double, or if new Миг-31БМ has radar range 240km, what about basic Mig-31 , his radar range should be 120km.! The myth about 400km. radar range is fake?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le-8aoWovhc[/youtube]
By: mack8
- 2nd January 2013 at 21:03Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Isn't the detection range for a fighter size target about 120km for the "legacy" Zaslon? Guess we don't know yet for what target size that 240km figure refers to.
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By: Berkut
- 2nd January 2013 at 21:37Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I think the cone length is the same on the Su-35Ss, only that on S-1 there are no antennas or CHFL dispensers or the chute.
You can compare this pic of S-2 to S-1 pretty well i think.
Nah, with some comparing i found exactly what panels to remove to shorten the S-1 stinger, and then it is about same length as Su-27 (just some pixels short, but that is ok). I have all S-2 pics in high res, but there is not proper side on.
S-2 is shorter for sure. Besides, if one counts the panelines there is future proof. ;) 4 lines on S-2 vs 6 (because of metal plug) on S-1.
All high res pictures are available if you go to russian version of the site. ;)
By: mack8
- 3rd January 2013 at 00:12Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Well either i need an eye check , or the pic of S-2 i posted above is not in the high-rez KnAAPO gallery. Anyway, just a small item, perhaps it's been posted somewhere else (or i accidentaly entered the KnAAPO computers :p)
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By: Berkut
- 3rd January 2013 at 01:11Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Well either i need an eye check , or the pic of S-2 i posted above is not in the high-rez KnAAPO gallery. Anyway, just a small item, perhaps it's been posted somewhere else (or i accidentaly entered the KnAAPO computers :p)
I don't see picture in your post. However, if i quote it, i do see the link. I do have that picture as well, but it isn't side on. And it is on the site, it is just that thumbnail doesn't reflect it. Click on second picture. ;)
By: martinez
- 3rd January 2013 at 20:34Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Long awaited dark Flanker, are you happy now?? :D Geez, but glossy paint..:eek:, looks ugly, hopefully new MOD orders will clear up this mess with camouflage even in Russian MRO bussines.
By: mack8
- 3rd January 2013 at 20:35Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Nice. There can never be enough Flanker Pics in this thread :)
One of the four Su-30M2 i presume?
Nah, it's a standard Su-27UB.:)
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By: Berkut
- 3rd January 2013 at 21:32Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Long awaited dark Flanker, are you happy now?? :D Geez, but glossy paint..:eek:, looks ugly, hopefully new MOD orders will clear up this mess with camouflage even in Russian MRO bussines.
By: Freehand
- 4th January 2013 at 00:14Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Strike Flanker
Presenting the Su-27UB 'Strike Flanker'.
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By: J-31 Burrito
- 4th January 2013 at 11:13Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Long awaited dark Flanker, are you happy now?? :D Geez, but glossy paint..:eek:, looks ugly, hopefully new MOD orders will clear up this mess with camouflage even in Russian MRO bussines.
indeed why glossy and why inconsistency.
best grey so far is the new Su-35 one.
By: Griffon39
- 4th January 2013 at 16:46Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Sigh.. Can't they just let the Algerians or Indians paint all RuAF flankers (yes all of them, regardles of what numerical or alfabetical suffix they may have) and then be over and done with all these endless glossy LSD-patterns once and for all??
FFS, how hard could it be? :confused: Cant take much more now... :(
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By: Berkut - 2nd January 2013 at 17:15 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Somewhat a continuation of what was discussed in J-20 thread. I always assumed that stinger was same length of Su-35S as on Su-27, but that doesn't seem to be the case! With some help of a friend of mine and after lots of pictures:
So Su-35S is a bit longer than Su-27.
By: Anonymous - 2nd January 2013 at 17:57 Permalink - Edited 22nd October 2019 at 22:31
Note that #01 has a non-standard, longer stinger, possibly containing a drag chute as on T-50 #051! I would expect a fully production representative airframe to be the same length as a vanilla Su-27.
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By: Berkut - 2nd January 2013 at 18:50 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Hmm now that you say it i am reminded of that shiny metal ring that is seen on S-1 "nekkid" pictures. I think that one is extra on S-1 only vs prototypes and later models. So yeah, that explains it, Su-35S length is same as Su-27 then!
Notice S-1 doesn't have actuators for cone to open, so if it has chute, then it is activated same way as on "51". If it is, then than means S-1 have done stall tests and extra length comes from extra big parachute or something related.
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By: mack8 - 2nd January 2013 at 19:42 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I think the cone length is the same on the Su-35Ss, only that on S-1 there are no antennas or CHFL dispensers or the chute.
Regretably, when Knaapo put their high-rez images up , i got lazy downloading the Su-35S-2 pics bar one image (which i will post), which unfortunately does not seems to be part of the gallery anymore (i don't think anyone saved the Su-35S galleries in their original form by any chance -before the bandwidth issue? :()
You can compare this pic of S-2 to S-1 pretty well i think.
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By: stambe_mig - 2nd January 2013 at 20:48 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
First Happy New Year and marry Christmas!
I got this picture:
About Миг-31БМ
We see on the picture search radar range is 240 km. but on the video below pilot has say that new Миг-31БМ increase radar range double, or if new Миг-31БМ has radar range 240km, what about basic Mig-31 , his radar range should be 120km.! The myth about 400km. radar range is fake?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le-8aoWovhc[/youtube]
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By: mack8 - 2nd January 2013 at 21:03 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Isn't the detection range for a fighter size target about 120km for the "legacy" Zaslon? Guess we don't know yet for what target size that 240km figure refers to.
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By: Berkut - 2nd January 2013 at 21:37 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Nah, with some comparing i found exactly what panels to remove to shorten the S-1 stinger, and then it is about same length as Su-27 (just some pixels short, but that is ok). I have all S-2 pics in high res, but there is not proper side on.
S-2 is shorter for sure. Besides, if one counts the panelines there is future proof. ;) 4 lines on S-2 vs 6 (because of metal plug) on S-1.
All high res pictures are available if you go to russian version of the site. ;)
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By: mack8 - 3rd January 2013 at 00:12 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Well either i need an eye check , or the pic of S-2 i posted above is not in the high-rez KnAAPO gallery. Anyway, just a small item, perhaps it's been posted somewhere else (or i accidentaly entered the KnAAPO computers :p)
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By: Berkut - 3rd January 2013 at 01:11 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I don't see picture in your post. However, if i quote it, i do see the link. I do have that picture as well, but it isn't side on. And it is on the site, it is just that thumbnail doesn't reflect it. Click on second picture. ;)
http://www.knaapo.ru/rus/gallery/events/combat/su-35/2nd_ser_su-35.wbp
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By: MadRat - 3rd January 2013 at 04:44 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
400km range is when four operate in sync using a data chain method of scanning. It is purely a search mode, not a tracking mode.
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By: mack8 - 3rd January 2013 at 19:21 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
:eek:
Courtesy Djox @mycitymilitary
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By: haavarla - 3rd January 2013 at 20:32 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Nice. There can never be enough Flanker Pics in this thread :)
One of the four Su-30M2 i presume?
Edit:
Wait a minute..
Thats not a Su-30M2.
It got a singel nose wheel, the IRIST is on senter of canopy..
Must be an older Su-27UB then..
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By: martinez - 3rd January 2013 at 20:34 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Long awaited dark Flanker, are you happy now?? :D Geez, but glossy paint..:eek:, looks ugly, hopefully new MOD orders will clear up this mess with camouflage even in Russian MRO bussines.
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By: martinez - 3rd January 2013 at 20:35 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
overhauled UB I think...
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By: mack8 - 3rd January 2013 at 20:35 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Nah, it's a standard Su-27UB.:)
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By: Berkut - 3rd January 2013 at 21:32 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
That is just 20'th ARZ having fun. :)
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By: Freehand - 4th January 2013 at 00:14 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Strike Flanker
Presenting the Su-27UB 'Strike Flanker'.
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By: J-31 Burrito - 4th January 2013 at 11:13 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
indeed why glossy and why inconsistency.
best grey so far is the new Su-35 one.
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By: Griffon39 - 4th January 2013 at 16:46 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Sigh.. Can't they just let the Algerians or Indians paint all RuAF flankers (yes all of them, regardles of what numerical or alfabetical suffix they may have) and then be over and done with all these endless glossy LSD-patterns once and for all??
FFS, how hard could it be? :confused: Cant take much more now... :(
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By: TR1 - 6th January 2013 at 03:59 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The Boss
http://russianplanes.net/images/to95000/094477.jpg