KF-X/IF-X & TF-X for Europe?

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To admit, as long as the political situation does not change, I hope Germany will block any sale of the EJ-200.

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I called it some time ago.. TF-X will end up basically being a mid-weight stealth aircraft with Eurofighter guts. I think it's more apparent for the UK to do it with out the EU or US, now that May and Trump seemed to disagree on foreign policy.
it may also attract investments from countries like Qatar. I don't see that much urgency from Turkey for F-35.

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To admit, as long as the political situation does not change, I hope Germany will block any sale of the EJ-200.
Is Germany that much capable once Persian Gulf join Turkey in military projects.
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Is Germany that much capable once Persian Gulf join Turkey in military projects.
You mean to keep and hold political pressure to withhold that sale or in military sense ?
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Rolls Royce owns the technology behind EJ200. Germany doesn't have much influence in the transfer. I find the timing convenient with the Brexit. Almost as soon as political maneuvers delayed the exit we see a rush to send sensitive technologies abroad. Almost like the bleeding hasn't yet stopped because the wound is much deeper than was originally diagnosed. The UK is finding itself inundated with greed - or is it sabotage - just trying to undermine it's future. Turkey isn't unlikely to re-export these sensitive products to countries unfriendly to UK interests. If nothing else, they've shown a penchant to hate the UK in every way except for to its face. I would certainly hate to see EJ200 technology in Russian or Chinese aircraft. I never liked them in Saudi aircraft, either, but now they are all over the gulf states.
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Amen to this ... and the next step is to end the arms embargo against China?

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You mean to keep and hold political pressure to withhold that sale or in military sense ?
yes. corporate Germany is totally bankrupt and corrupt. they need these Middleastern investors. Both UK / France/US has been selling there for decades and I bet there will be Germanic parts or industrial machinery used in them.
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yes. corporate Germany is totally bankrupt and corrupt. they need these Middleastern investors. Both UK / France/US has been selling there for decades and I bet there will be Germanic parts or industrial machinery used in them.
Not really sure what You are smoking but even if I wont deny this in comparison to other countries I'm sure corruption is at quite a comparable low level ... hint, hint a bit further to the East, Middle-East or so !

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Not really sure what You are smoking but even if I wont deny this in comparison to other countries I'm sure corruption is at quite a comparable low level ... hint, hint a bit further to the East, Middle-East or so !
comparable low level?. its just invisible in ordinary life to those who don't understand, the bad quality products (no long term reliability), billions in pollution fines, (hint Chinese hasn't put fines on same scale as US despite China biggest VW group market), banking system that is risk exposed to trillions. on top that nearly every German product has parts made outside that country that make the German industrial system open to blackmail to those third countries whether its Romania or Poland all the way to Mexico or US with more than 10% Airbus parts. Germany will make EU so poor that every country in Europe will look for exports/investments and tourism inflow from outside Europe. forget about any kind of military power.

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Alternatively, its a great way for BAE to keep a team working on an LO manned design as it waits for the UK to decide its plans for the future.
The amount of money involved clearly says that the UK industry won't sell its nuggets there (and anyway, the Turks are proud and capable enough to have dismiss such offer). They are providing insight, know-how and gain experience in the same time without any UK taxpayer resource. It's sound more like a good deal given that the UK won't field a fully nationally designed manned stealth aircraft in a foreseeable future .
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Yes that is all true. However, whilst BAE is not shipping Replica over to Turkey, I think it would be less interesting to them as a company if the Turks wanted help with a turbo prop transport or similar. Fundamentally they will be hungry to keep as many people as possible working on projects which will help in the future. As to the rest, I am happy to keep on topic.
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If I were BAE, I would have put my money with one of the Asian projects if possible. Turkey is more susceptible to political unrest that will lead to money and brain drain.
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...whereas the Asian projects are either dead ducks or US linked. The UK and Turkey have a long history together and just because the current president of Turkey is engaged in questionable domestic/foreign policies, that doesn't put him in a different category to other UK partners around the world.
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If I were BAE, I would have put my money with one of the Asian projects if possible. Turkey is more susceptible to political unrest that will lead to money and brain drain.
The Turkish MOD and TAI are payinng for consulting services to BAE, what "money and brain drain" would this last one possibly incur?
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I called it some time ago.. TF-X will end up basically being a mid-weight stealth aircraft with Eurofighter guts. I think it's more apparent for the UK to do it with out the EU or US, now that May and Trump seemed to disagree on foreign policy.
Eurofighter guts, airframe built in Turkey, & some Turkish avionics & other internal systems.

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The Turkish MOD and TAI are payinng for consulting services to BAE, what "money and brain drain" would this last one possibly incur?
He maybe referring to brain drain in Turkey where no one left to implement the project. You can see that poor performance of Turkey in Syria. They lack both the pilots and the bombs.

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Rolls Royce owns the technology behind EJ200. Germany doesn't have much influence in the transfer. I find the timing convenient with the Brexit. Almost as soon as political maneuvers delayed the exit we see a rush to send sensitive technologies abroad. Almost like the bleeding hasn't yet stopped because the wound is much deeper than was originally diagnosed. The UK is finding itself inundated with greed - or is it sabotage - just trying to undermine it's future. Turkey isn't unlikely to re-export these sensitive products to countries unfriendly to UK interests. If nothing else, they've shown a penchant to hate the UK in every way except for to its face. I would certainly hate to see EJ200 technology in Russian or Chinese aircraft. I never liked them in Saudi aircraft, either, but now they are all over the gulf states.
Ok about the timing (how long was it ago when UK was shouting at turkish "dictator?) but i do not think we do know the exact repartition of EJ 200.
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but i do not think we do know the exact repartition of EJ 200.
"FiatAvio is primarily responsible for the low-pressure (LP) shaft and turbine, while ITP manufactures the convergent/divergent nozzle and bypass duct. MTU is responsible for the LP and high-pressure (HP) compressors, and R-R has the combustion system, HP turbine and intermediate casing." Cheers
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3. Woah! I find that sort of thing beautiful. We all spend ages questioning and discussing what the RAF will do with Typhoon and how it could upgrade it. Meanwhile, they decide to develop a fifth generation infrastructure with the Turks!