should Indonesia bail out on KFX?

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now that janes has revealed the Koreans are basically going for a glorified F-16 variant with side intakes and faceted fueselage http://www.janes.com/images/assets/295/29295/1517176-main.jpg
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No. Regardless of configuration KF-X will accrue valuable industrial benefits to Indonesia, and the aircraft will offer a modern, affordable complement to future high-end platforms such as T-50 -- certainly far moreso than the likely alternative of more, increasingly rickety F-16s. Indeed, Indonesia would probably prefer a config like that depicted above (F100/110 propulsion one assumes) to a heavier platform in the class of F-35.
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No. Regardless of configuration KF-X will accrue valuable industrial benefits to Indonesia, and the aircraft will offer a modern, affordable complement to future high-end platforms such as T-50 -- certainly far moreso than the likely alternative of more, increasingly rickety F-16s. Indeed, Indonesia would probably prefer a config like that depicted above (F100/110 propulsion one assumes) to a heavier platform in the class of F-35.
you guys can go with Turkey's program instead http://militaryfactory.com/aircraft/imgs/tai-tfx-fighter.jpg TAI probably doesn't face the same level of political pressure from the US as S.Korea does
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If they could sort out the workshare issues a joint Korean-Turkish program with SAAB assistance still makes excellent sense. With both nations being confronted recently with cost issues, perhaps a compromise is still possible...

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If they could sort out the workshare issues a joint Korean-Turkish program with SAAB assistance still makes excellent sense. With both nations being confronted recently with cost issues, perhaps a compromise is still possible...
The best work share would be Korea - Turkey - Brazil this would allow good order numbers from the 3 main players 4 if you included Sweden of up 350 -400 air-frames before exports
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I don't think Sweden would be interested in an aircraft configured as above -- it wouldn't seem to offer any advantage over Gripen E/F besides size, which is likely a disadvantage from the Swedish perspective, i.e. more expensive to acquire/operate.
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now that janes has revealed the Koreans are basically going for a glorified F-16 variant with side intakes and faceted fueselage http://www.janes.com/images/assets/295/29295/1517176-main.jpg
I think you would of bowled me over if it had been any other configuration. It is an entirely logical step on from T-50 utilising what they have experienced with their F-16 work. What interests me is KFX exactly fills a market segment that the US is vacating when the F16 eventually finishes production, if they can keep the price figure close to an F-16 and below F-35 I can see some interested customers out there.
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Gripen E/F is closer to F-16 in the early-middle stages of its life, i.e. the aircraft that conquered the west.

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now that janes has revealed the Koreans are basically going for a glorified F-16 variant with side intakes and faceted fueselage http://www.janes.com/images/assets/295/29295/1517176-main.jpg
Is still better then F-16 block 15 OCU MLU or F-16 block 25 MLU (CUPID/Combat Upgrades Plan Integrations Details) that are and will be the back bone of Indonesian AF up to 2020+. Even with that singgle engine configuration, that KFX will provide valuable learning curve for Indonesian. Besides that single engine design is more realistic on getting the project within the plan budget and targeted price range.

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Why not include India too? :o I don't think Sweden would be interested in an aircraft configured as above -- it wouldn't seem to offer any advantage over Gripen E/F besides size, which is likely a disadvantage from the Swedish perspective, i.e. more expensive to acquire/operate.
and that is why I put Sweden as an out side 4th
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Is still better then F-16 block 15 OCU MLU or F-16 block 25 MLU (CUPID/Combat Upgrades Plan Integrations Details) that are and will be the back bone of Indonesian AF up to 2020+. Even with that singgle engine configuration, that KFX will provide valuable learning curve for Indonesian. Besides that single engine design is more realistic on getting the project within the plan budget and targeted price range.
since the project isn't very far a long yet, Indonesia could work with other partners such as Turkey or India which is seeking to field heavier options.
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With respect to the Turks, I think the Korean project has a better prospect of coming to fruition in some form. If Turkey does go forward, alone, I expect the aircraft will be a Turkified Gripen E/F. Not that there's anything wrong with that...

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of cos! korean cannot make anything on their own trainer is base on lockheed design!! helicopter base on eurocopter design!! tank is based on m1 they need big help from some one else.
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of cos! korean cannot make anything on their own trainer is base on lockheed design!! helicopter base on eurocopter design!! tank is based on m1 they need big help from some one else.
Just like China! L-15 > Yak copy + Yak help Tanks > Russian guns, Ukrainian engines, largely based on Soviet school of thought Helicopters > WZ-10 made with Kamov assistance China needs help making pretty much everything it seems.
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True. But I have not heard any claims about foreign help with J-31.
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That's no big deal. Even Rafale started its career with foreign engine. Gripen has kept it until today. I mean general aerodynamic layout now.

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Just like China! L-15 > Yak copy + Yak help Tanks > Russian guns, Ukrainian engines, largely based on Soviet school of thought Helicopters > WZ-10 made with Kamov assistance China needs help making pretty much everything it seems.
wow you stalk me every where and always reply to me. it is so creepy but cannot forgive your ignorance. l15 is like italian m354. the yak design was not good so like italia china made better version new chinese tank do not use russian gun or ukraine engine. I dont know where you learn this? it is not 1960 anymore. china make tank other than local version of t55 wz10 and kamov? hahahahahahaha you look at wz10? this is wz10 http://sobchak.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/wz10.jpg this is kamov http://www.helis.com/h/ka50_2.jpg they do not look alike. totally different style. kamov is 1980 design. wz10 is 2000 design. how can kamov teach chinese how to make something they cannot make themself?
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wz10 and kamov? hahahahahahaha you look at wz10? they do not look alike. totally different style. kamov is 1980 design. wz10 is 2000 design. how can kamov teach chinese how to make something they cannot make themself?
They don't have to look alike. The conceptual design of the WZ-10 was still made by Kamov. http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/forums/kamov-reveals-involvement-in-chinas-z-10-attack-93068.aspx http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/ain-defense-perspective/2013-03-15/kamov-reveals-involvement-chinas-z-10-attack-helicopter

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They don't have to look alike. The conceptual design of the WZ-10 was still made by Kamov. http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/forums/kamov-reveals-involvement-in-chinas-z-10-attack-93068.aspx http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/ain-defense-perspective/2013-03-15/kamov-reveals-involvement-chinas-z-10-attack-helicopter
russians say many thing. you know russian say j20 came from old mig design too? they also say wz10 came from south african helicopter. but you never hear chinese side saying that. there is big problem in russia today. every time china make something, russian is quick to say it came from russia. china doing its best to be good freiend and ally to russia but russia have some kind of inferiority complex when it come ot chinese design. you can see how much it bother tr1.

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since the project isn't very far a long yet, Indonesia could work with other partners such as Turkey or India which is seeking to field heavier options.
It can be an option, if there are other partnership that already moving ahead. KF-X is still not definitive yet on the end result. However so far from Indonesian side, this is the only parnership that have prospect as learning curve on taking in the fighters game.
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russians say many thing. you know russian say j20 came from old mig design too? they also say wz10 came from south african helicopter. but you never hear chinese side saying that. there is big problem in russia today. every time china make something, russian is quick to say it came from russia. china doing its best to be good freiend and ally to russia but russia have some kind of inferiority complex when it come ot chinese design. you can see how much it bother tr1.
Of course you never hear Chinese side say that. What else would you expect from people who claim even J-11 and J-15 as their own designs?