what second stealth fighter russia need?

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all large country use two stealth fighter us have f22 and f35 china have j20 and j31 urope cannot get j20 or f22 so they do eurofighter and f35 only russia still not deciding yet on the pair with pakfa i am thinking this case j31 could also be good and can very well partner with russia
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Russians won't give damn about your J-31.
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Russians won't give damn about your J-31.
It's Palembang: we won't give damn about this topic, no? :D
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What about that MiG Skat UCAV they were developing a few years back?

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Sukhoi and Mig joining together to make pilot less Pak-fa style aircraft first flight in 2018

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"need"? None. The answer is simple as that. To evaluate your comment further; -Us needed to have two types, IMHO simply because (Y)F-22 was far too ahead of its time in early 90s and it was too expensive. With cold war ended, there was no need for such fighter, and requirements for a 5th gen fighter changed completely. New requirements demanded new fighter, hence F-35. I bet if Soviet union didnt broke up, F-35 would be a very different aircraft, there would be navalized F-22s etc etc. -Soviets did design some new fighters like MiG 1.44 or Su-47 in 90s. However with the cold war ended, their requirements from a new fighter also changed, and PAK-FA is the end result. Although PAK-FA's performance/weight class expected to be more comperable to F-22, its evolution, IMHO, is much similar to F-35; a relatively cheap all-arounder. If cold war didnt ended, we would be seeing many more stealth and non-stealth fighters from SU. -EU simply doesnt have the will or capabilty to produce a stealth fighter at the moment. Most EU countries will get F-35, because its the only option (PAK-FA = Russian F-22 = Not for export + belongs to a rather obsolete doctrine) -Chinese have two types, expect many more, because they simply trying to build a knowledge base for such programs, and they possibly want to test out their design/production capabilities. IMHO neither J-20 or J-31 have specific mission requirements like F-22/35 or PAK-FA, but more in the lines do-what-you-can. I don't say they are worthless but I am saying after they are matured or even produced in tiny numbers, a new definitive type will emerge which may hope to compete with F-22 or F-35.
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i think the second fighter should be one that's cheaper to run, use existing technology, and should be exportable. i liked UCAVs but not sure if its exportable to Russia's traditional clientele (can they actually operate it?). Russia also needs something to export that's not the pak-fa because it'll pakky is expensive, and perhaps too sensitive, for exports. it should be what the F-35 was intended to be (but not what it is now). single engined, perhaps using the same one as pak-fa. would be nice to see a planform similar to draken.. wide inlets that are also part of the lerx. add the levcons on there too. delta wing for more fuel and range in a smaller airframe. one large bay with two smaller "pods" under the lerx/wing like on pak-fa.

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You are right but missed one thing IMOHO: the 29 had two engines and did fulfill the job of export until cold war put the Rouble at such a level that it didn't make so much diff to go for the big one. So lets be clear, Su does not hve to review its copy from scratch. In my view, it's well the opposite. A scaled down version, will do the job.
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Why are People so hang up on a Light Version of Pak-Fa for Russia??? By all account, there will be Pak-Fa and a heavier Version, like a 5Gen Foxhound. Chances are even higher for a T-50 design, evolution up to a heavier Tactical Bomber ala Hellduck. There is no VVS requirements at this moment for a light 5th Gen. Nor do i see any coming anytime soon. Unless Russia land areal are to shrink in the future, VVS will stick With its larger, long legged birds

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Russians won't give damn about your J-31.
i think you jealous too much rafael so quickly forgotten when j31 came out.
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If Russia wants to push an affordable export they should be pushing single engined. But WAIT. They are doing exactly that by proxy. China is producing the single engined Al-31 powered J-10 fighter. Pakistan is producing with Chinese engineering the FC-1 aka JF-17 using RD33 spinoffs produced in Russia. India and China produce twin Al-31 powered Su-27 spinoffs, each to their own liking. China is currently developing a twin RD33 powered stealth export fighter. The only real direction a new development should perhaps go is to use a single 117 powered stealth fighter for export. Perhaps if India does opt for AMCA they can steer 117 engines towards them rather than letting the US sell them more F404IN engines. I'm all fine with the US engines, but they would be fools not to procure plenty of 117's to hedge against unforeseen political roadblocks with the FGFA.

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all large country use two stealth fighter us have f22 and f35 china have j20 and j31 urope cannot get j20 or f22 so they do eurofighter and f35 only russia still not deciding yet on the pair with pakfa i am thinking this case j31 could also be good and can very well partner with russia
Russia is not stupid, to give others knowledge they do not already have of advanced avionics is stupid. The U.S. is far ahead of China, and I would bet large sums of money Russia's finest are also decades ahead.
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They dont need a 2nd MLO fighter, they need long endurance VLO IRS platforms, as does all other militarizes with a possible need to operate outside air space they control

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Russia is not stupid, to give others knowledge they do not already have of advanced avionics is stupid. The U.S. is far ahead of China, and I would bet large sums of money Russia's finest are also decades ahead.
Russians had to buy souped up Searcher II UAV's from Israel to "learn" from them, and same time Chinese are flying their own drones. Of course systems what make a fighter jet are different, but things are not that black and white when it comes to aircraft technology. If Russian were decades ahead in every area they would not be buying drones from Israel.

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all large country use two stealth fighter us have f22 and f35 china have j20 and j31 urope cannot get j20 or f22 so they do eurofighter and f35 only russia still not deciding yet on the pair with pakfa i am thinking this case j31 could also be good and can very well partner with russia
Putin is trying to diversify Russia's economy so a straight buy in significant numbers won't happen however If Shenyang & Mig were to enter into a joint development agreement to further develop the J31 for manufacture in China & Russia it would be good except for two main political problems. 1 As long as China is not going to induct the J31 into it's own military in significant numbers it will always be perceived as a second rate ....aircraft & Russia will not get involved because of the perception. 2 Because Russia will not want to upset India any joint jet fighter development will have to wait until India & China resolve their ....border dispute & maybe some issues with Pakistan. A more likely scenario is for Dassault & Mig to jointly develop a new stealth airframe. With the F35 cost coming down closer to the Rafale & a SAAB stealth jet 2020 somewhere over the horizon the Rafale will be left with no political justification for being bought either on price or ability (public perception). The advantage for Mig is obviously the chance to build a new manned 5G stealth fighter. The resultant aircraft would have to be a strike prioritized IMO.

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I don't see any actual need for another fighter type in VVS. Nor I see it for export as well. At the right moment they could develop bespoke, degraded versions of PAK-FA for any possibile foreign customers, provided there would be a market for LO or VLO fighters large enough. For anybody else, SU-30 and SU-35 would and should still suffice for a couple of decades. Many Countries are purchasing now 20+ years old F-16s or operating 30+ years old F-5s, Su-22s and the likes, no way they will ask for 5th gen fighters any time soon, rhe heavy as the light ones.

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It's not a particularly related point but it comes up so many times that it has almost become gospel and someone needs to point out the fallacy. To say the EU doesn't have the capability to build a stealth fighter is, I believe, just wrong. The statement is either referring to technically for which numerous examples can be pointed to in order to disprove it. Or it is referring to financially, in which case people are confusing desire for ability. Please stop it.

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It's not a particularly related point but it comes up so many times that it has almost become gospel and someone needs to point out the fallacy. To say the EU doesn't have the capability to build a stealth fighter is, I believe, just wrong. The statement is either referring to technically for which numerous examples can be pointed to in order to disprove it. Or it is referring to financially, in which case people are confusing desire for ability. Please stop it.
There is not a basic technical problem as such but in times of austerity politics funding for a stealth fighter project is easier to come by if a partner can be found that actually needs one. Saab is looking to develop the 2020 5G stealth fighter & I last heard there was interest in Turkey to codevelop it (spread the cost out) & Dassault will need to soon develop a 5G air frame to avoid being totally sandwiched out of the international market so can you suggest a development partner in Europe other than Mig (almost Europe) that is not committed to the F35??

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There is not a basic technical problem as such but in times of austerity politics funding for a stealth fighter project is easier to come by if a partner can be found that actually needs one. Saab is looking to develop the 2020 5G stealth fighter & I last heard there was interest in Turkey to codevelop it (spread the cost out) & Dassault will need to soon develop a 5G air frame to avoid being totally sandwiched out of the international market so can you suggest a development partner in Europe other than Mig (almost Europe) that is not committed to the F35??
I don't see any needs for Dassault to partner for a new 5G aircraft. Dassault made a spacecraft (nearly), built stealth drone (likely), participate in an hypersonic recce drone (probably) and tried desesperatly to sell the best mil tool for the next 10 years (Raf). On the contrary, not being insulting, far from that, MiG didn't display any capabilities regarding 5G. I am sure they did. And hve my own opinion regarding that point. But, the first rule when you want to tease, is to show an interesting piece of skin. Shaking in rhythms is quite commune with no effects nowadays, sadly...

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I don't see any needs for Dassault to partner for a new 5G aircraft. Dassault made a spacecraft (nearly), built stealth drone (likely), participate in an hypersonic recce drone (probably) and tried desesperatly to sell the best mil tool for the next 10 years (Raf). On the contrary, not being insulting, far from that, MiG didn't display any capabilities regarding 5G. I am sure they did. And hve my own opinion regarding that point. But, the first rule when you want to tease, is to show an interesting piece of skin. Shaking in rhythms is quite commune with no effects nowadays, sadly...
Of course Dassault has the capability to design a 5G stealth aircraft & I did not dispute that but partnering with the manufacturer of another country helps to get all the ducks in a row for government funding. Lockheed Martin & Sukhoi both have partners (SAAB & the Koreans are both in planing that way) & it seems to be the way of the future so who do you think Dassault could partner with in the future & why??