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MAP and triggering situation Hagel: US deeply concerned with the new rules being imposed by China for aircraft identification over eastern china sea New imposed regulation can be read here Extract of the statement from Hagel: The United States reaffirms its longstanding policy that Article V of the U.S.-Japan Mutual Defense Treaty applies to the Senkaku Islands To get a clear picture of what it means, here is an interesting quote (source CNN) Stephanie Kleine-Ahlbrandt, director of Asia-Pacific programs at the U.S. Institute of Peace: "It makes it more likely that jets will be scrambled," she said. "An aerial encounter carries a much higher risk because of the faster timings involved" than in a maritime encounter. [ATTACH=CONFIG]223357[/ATTACH] sources: Defense.gov GlobalSecurity.org CNN
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ORIGINALLY from TEEJ: US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone East China Sea in defiance of new Chinese air defence rules, officials say. China set up its "air defence identification zone" on Saturday insisting that aircraft obey its rules or face "emergency defensive measures". A Pentagon spokesman said the planes had followed "normal procedures". .... US Colonel Steve Warren at the Pentagon said Washington had "conducted operations in the area of the Senkakus". "We have continued to follow our normal procedures, which include not filing flight plans, not radioing ahead and not registering our frequencies," he said. There had been no response from China, he added. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25110011
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29th November: US praise airlines to comply with Chinese new regulations Japanese officials were less prudent asking Japanese air carriers to not obey the new regulations. Instead they have decided to comply for safety concerns. Sources: CNN.com JapanTimes
US is showing its maturity by asking their airlines to comply with the new ADIZ and provide Chinese with their flight path even though they stopped short of saying it explicitly where as the Japs are acting as if they are desperate to.... http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/718/7228/original.jpg ^ Why the hell should the Japnese ADIZ stretch too close to the Chinese mainland, its even further than their (represented) EEZ where as the new Chinese ADIZ is still inside their (represented) EEZ. The Chinese action for a new ADIZ looks more valid and was probably long overdue. http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/11/27/1385548215726/MapJapanChinaairdefencearea.png ^ what a ridiculous ADIZ that Japs have woven for themselves. No wonder that we hear very often how the Russian entered Japanese airspace etc etc. I hope Russia follow with their new ADIZ.

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Nations are asking their commercial carriers to comply with China's demands to avoid the risk of a trigger happy PLAAF pilot shooting down a civilian aircraft like what happened to that Korean 747 a few years back. But in my opinion there is going to be an incident anyway. China does not have the experience of controlling a distant ADIZ and is trying to learn as they go along. With warplanes mixed in with commercial traffic it is only a matter of time before an accident will occur. Add to this that China has painted itself into a corner with the establishment of this ADIZ with such rigid restrictions, the opportunity for misunderstandings are just waiting to happen. Just like what happened to that collision between that Chinese J-8 and that EP-3E off of Hainan island a replay is bound to happen sooner or later. Finally consider the fact that Japan has shown no inclination to honor the Chinese ADIZ and has in the last few days sent aloft F-15s supported by tankers and an AWACS some clash will happen. My question is how will the end game play out? China at this point cannot back down. They have placed their national pride on the table. On the other hand Japan and others have decided that they also will not back down due to their own policy reasons which leads to the two scorpions in a bottle scenario.

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The question I would like to pose it what will happen if a PLAAF aircraft damages a Japanese airforce aircraft? Any ideas? Will it this be J-10s vs F-15s? And another factor to consider:Tanker support: China does not have a fully developed tanker force capable of supporting prolonged operations in an area so far from home where as Japan with their KC-767s does. How will the PLAAF adjust for that? Will this be decided by who can bring the most resources to the party? Buckle your seat belts as this is going to be a bumpy ride.
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Finally consider the fact that Japan has shown no inclination to honor the Chinese ADIZ and has in the last few days sent aloft F-15s supported by tankers and an AWACS some clash will happen.
These are initial reactions and will die down slowly and the status quo will change gradually but for sure with both the Japanese & Chinese aircrafts often meeting in the area. But Japs need to swallow some of their earlier created ridiculous ADIZ... it would be fun to watch the Russians coming out with their own new ADIZ.

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Nations are asking their commercial carriers to comply with China's demands to avoid the risk of a trigger happy PLAAF pilot shooting down a civilian aircraft like what happened to that Korean 747 a few years back. But in my opinion there is going to be an incident anyway. China does not have the experience of controlling a distant ADIZ and is trying to learn as they go along. With warplanes mixed in with commercial traffic it is only a matter of time before an accident will occur. Add to this that China has painted itself into a corner with the establishment of this ADIZ with such rigid restrictions, the opportunity for misunderstandings are just waiting to happen. Just like what happened to that collision between that Chinese J-8 and that EP-3E off of Hainan island a replay is bound to happen sooner or later. Finally consider the fact that Japan has shown no inclination to honor the Chinese ADIZ and has in the last few days sent aloft F-15s supported by tankers and an AWACS some clash will happen. My question is how will the end game play out? China at this point cannot back down. They have placed their national pride on the table. On the other hand Japan and others have decided that they also will not back down due to their own policy reasons which leads to the two scorpions in a bottle scenario.
This shows a tremendous lack of maturity on China's part. Many years after most of the world has moved beyond such attempts to expand their territory China is jumping in without any apparent long term thinking. Disputes with India: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/China-reiterates-claim-on-Arunachal-Pradesh-through-mouthpiece/articleshow/26644947.cms Disputes with Philippines: http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/learning-the-lessons-scarborough-reef-9442 Disputes with pretty much everyone on the South China Sea for that matter: [ATTACH=CONFIG]223362[/ATTACH] On what basis can China possibly claim ownership of uninhabited rocks/reefs thousands of kilometers from its shore that are right off the coast of various other countries? This is nothing but an old fashioned territory grab that can only lead to violence when someone is finally forced to defend their borders. This may not be as dramatic as the Tiananmen Square Massacre, but make no mistake, this is aggression backed by the threat of force.

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[...] On what basis can China possibly claim ownership of uninhabited rocks/reefs thousands of kilometers from its shore that are right off the coast of various other countries? This is nothing but an old fashioned territory grab that can only lead to violence when someone is finally forced to defend their borders. [...]
Facts are often dramatically simple and motivations rather complex. China is pursuing an "arm race" with its neighbors, especially the new dragons of this part of the world, the ones raising as a developed country. This force them to bought expensive war materials that are detrimental to their economy. So you have (on a very large term), South Korea (via NK), Vietnam and the Philippines. What then about Japan? Then things are again a tad complex. japan is a "recovering" eco that recently have suffered from eco and natural disasters. Force them into a long range skirmish and then their defense budget will be sliced by the cost of sustaining such OP in the long term. It might be that the best cost-effective solution for Japan will be to anchor an Aegis frigate somewhere in the disputed ADIZ. What will be an interesting move in the history of Air supremacy. What are the political gains for China? Well, it's more an in-country political fight. We might aswel see nothing happening for a while and then the subject being resurfaced with some dramatics events at an un-expected time. By the way, thank you all for your interesting contribution.

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Here we go, we have this here too. Kinda expected, and one can see the "usual" suspects at work. Why the hell they don't stick to their F-35 topic, they only embarrass themselves with their ignorance on world matters (or they just spread and support lies if they are just pathetic yankee sock puppets- probably the case). A quick history lesson shows those islands were "awarded" to Japan during their colonial era, remember about 100 years ago when all these big powers, Japan, US etc. were slicing China and patting themselves over their backs for it ? Besides looks at the frigging map and see where China and Japan are and where the Diaoyus are! Hello captain obvious! Today though, the mere involvement of the yanks pushing their vassal japanese and korean governments from behind throw away any credibility of japanese claims of those islands. In fact it's purely for US interests: those islands and especially their airspace and possibly underwater are serving for spying on chinese surface and submarine vessels when going out of chinese waters, and spying on China proper. Their "support" also serves the US media war against China by painting them as "evil" and trying to take land away from the "good and peaceful" Japan etc. Plus they also have similar skeletons in their closet as well, remember Guantanamo Bay, and who it REALLY belongs to? I do. But the whole farce can be seen from the very reaction to the new chinese ADIZ. It wasn't the japanese who challenged it first, not the koreans, no. It was the yanks! What?! Can anyone else see the hypocrisy? It's strange that the japanese, who are supposed to be brave and all that, didn't had the balls to do it themselves, unless accompanied by the yanks, after all isn't that supposed to be their "legitimate" territory? Also i don't understand what the koreans have to so with all this, but again, the US vassals in their government probably received instructions from Washington, which is probably the case with the japanese "flag planting" in the Diaoyus a few years back. In conclusion, China should redouble their efforts to strengthen their military and hence their country and protect themselves against american led machinations, and hopefully not far from now be in the position to dispose of the american neo-imperialism in the region and take back what rightfully belongs to them. Imo they should start by returning the yanks a "favour" by basing a PLAN task force preferably with carries, spy planes, nuclear subs etc in cuban waters, give the cubans a few billions worth of weaponry, and kindly tell the US to just go to hell!

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protect themselves against american led machinations, and hopefully not far from now be in the position to dispose of the american neo-imperialism
Do i detect "elements of language"?

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Nations are asking their commercial carriers to comply with China's demands to avoid the risk of a trigger happy PLAAF pilot shooting down a civilian aircraft like what happened to that Korean 747 a few years back. But in my opinion there is going to be an incident anyway. China does not have the experience of controlling a distant ADIZ and is trying to learn as they go along. With warplanes mixed in with commercial traffic it is only a matter of time before an accident will occur.
KAL 007 was a tragedy and a terrible accident, and to suggest it was a case of "trigger happiness" is insulting to everyone. Why do you think China does not have the experience of "controlling" a distant ADIZ? They've operated in airspace from its borders over the crowded east china sea for years before the last week. Did the ADIZ suddenly make all the civilian airliners appear or become potential threats? No, not really. Further, almost all airliners have submitted flight plans, and any half decent AEWC will be able to discern a military aircraft from a civilian one if not from their radar return then from their flight path.
Add to this that China has painted itself into a corner with the establishment of this ADIZ with such rigid restrictions, the opportunity for misunderstandings are just waiting to happen. Just like what happened to that collision between that Chinese J-8 and that EP-3E off of Hainan island a replay is bound to happen sooner or later.
The PLAAF of today and the PLAAF of early 2000s are quite a bit different.
Finally consider the fact that Japan has shown no inclination to honor the Chinese ADIZ and has in the last few days sent aloft F-15s supported by tankers and an AWACS some clash will happen.
An ADIZ is not a NFZ, Japan and US and martians can operate as they want, China merely reserves the right to track, ID and intercept them at greater ranges and frequency which the ADIZ allows.
My question is how will the end game play out? China at this point cannot back down. They have placed their national pride on the table. On the other hand Japan and others have decided that they also will not back down due to their own policy reasons which leads to the two scorpions in a bottle scenario.
An ADIZ is not a NFZ, China has no reason to "clash" with the military aircraft of Japan or the US. The EP-3 incident was very much an anomaly and standards would be much tighter now. If you want a prediction, I have two: Military: China will not dismantle the ADIZ. It will be another ADIZ in addition to the many which other countries in the world have. They will reserve the right to use "emergency defensive measures" but they will rarely exercise it (just like most air forces with their ADIZs). This ADIZ has been planned for a little while, and would have passed the same equivalent think tanks and policy tests that an equivalent US move would have endured. China hasn't painted itself in a corner, because its ADIZ doesn't obligate it to intercept and shoot down every non compliant aircraft. The ADIZ rules technically requires military aircraft to comply with it, but does anyone seriously think China expected that? The military portion of the ADIZ was simply meant to allow China to ID and intercept potentially hostile aircraft at longer ranges. Don't make a straw man and presume that china means to shoot down every "noncompliant" aircraft that enters the ADIZ. That's ridiculous. Territory dispute: More importantly is how Japan will react to the fact that the ADIZ covers the islands. Japan's stance on the island's sovereignty is that it is undisputed. They've effectively said they will shoot down foreign military aircraft that enters its "undisputed airspace". So the question is, if Chinese military aircraft enter the airspace of the islands, will Japanese start a war? If they do, then they've managed to uphold their "undisputed airspace" in exchange for a potential conflict between the world's second and third largest economies. If they don't, then they've effectively conceded the sovereignty of the islands is in dispute.

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The question I would like to pose it what will happen if a PLAAF aircraft damages a Japanese airforce aircraft? Any ideas? Will it this be J-10s vs F-15s? And another factor to consider:Tanker support: China does not have a fully developed tanker force capable of supporting prolonged operations in an area so far from home where as Japan with their KC-767s does. How will the PLAAF adjust for that? Will this be decided by who can bring the most resources to the party?
An ADIZ is not a NFZ. The chances of an aggressive encounter in the ADIZ is very very low. The EP-3 event was an anomaly. And yes, China has about 20 H-6Us each with about a third of a KC-767's tanking capability. One could argue the H-6Us have lower fuel capacity and lower range than a KC-767 which I agree with, but PLAAF also has more H-6Us than Japan has KC-767s, further H-6Us are dispersed at airbases closer to the Chinese ADIZ whereas I believe JASDF KC-767s are primarily based in the home islands. In any case, I doubt either side would need to bring tankers into play, it's not like F-15Js, flankers, and J-10s don't have enough range to do an interceptio in that flight path We should note geography allows China to sortie fighters and other aircraft at shorter ranges to its ADIZ than Japan. Japan I believe only has one airbase in okinawa that can support fighter sorties without refuelling, Naha airbase I believe. F-15Js. China by contrast has about 4 airbases with J-11s, Su-30s, J-10s and JH-7As, all with the range to conduct sorties in the ADIZ. in this case, China has quite a significant advantage in the numbers they can allocate to that airspace.
Buckle your seat belts as this is going to be a bumpy ride.
I doubt it.

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I'm going to cross post a rather elaborate summary of the ADIZ's intentions and goals and roadmap which I posted on SDF a few days ago. Feel free to respond to it. The end game is simple. I will elaborate. In my opinion China has two main goals for the ADIZ. One of them is related to the disputed islands, the second is related to the overall security needs of the country. Let's look at the first. Japan has repeatedly stated in the last couple of years that there is "no" territorial dispute over the islands. The government has maintained that line. It has escalated various acts since 2010, including the arresting of a Chinese fisherman in the waters around the islands, ramping up coast guard patrols, using its own ADIZ as an extension of its alarmist view of Chinese aircraft that near the islands, and threatening to shoot down foreign drones that enter its airspace with a pointed view to the islands. China until now has only responded with also sending its own coast guard and CMS patrols in the waters of the islands alongside Japanese coast guard vessels, and the single flight account where a CMS Y-12 briefly entered the disputed airspace. More recently they have done more extensive aerial surveillance of the first island chain including the disputed islands, but all in international airspace. The announcement of the ADIZ encompassing the islands allows China to directly challenge Japan's claim that there is "no" territorial dispute, because if Japan is so insistent that on its sovereignty over the islands, then if China sends military aircraft over the islands then by association Japan must shoot them down, correct? If they do not shoot down PLAAF or PLANAF aircraft then they'd effectively be conceding there is a dispute and their control is not uncontested. That is a major victory for China because the strategy these last few years was always to deny Japan's claims that their sovereignty is uncontested. Of course this idea may unravel if Japan decides to shoot at Chinese aircraft -- but do we think Japan is willing to start a war? I personally doubt it. So the other only option is to not shoot and only observe, possibly engage in aggressive maneuvering with Chinese aircraft. That constitutes a victory. Now, the other achievement of this ADIZ is security related. ADIZs are meant to give a nation the right to intercept and ID potentially threatening aircraft in an airspace beyond its borders. In an age of high speed bombers and fighter jets, this is natural. The US, Japan, and a myriad of other nations all have had extensive ADIZs for decades. In this case, it gives China the right to do more interceptions at longer range. If China had conducted more interceptions at longer range without the cover of an ADIZ, then there would be even more international "condemnation" and "concern" than there is now. We should clarify, that China never said they would intercept every single noncompliant aircraft within its ADIZ. Indeed, while the wording of the original ADIZ statement was "we will deal with noncompliant aircraft with emergency military maneuvers" (or something to that effect), it has since been clarified that it's meaning is more "we reserve the right to deal with noncompliant aircraft with emergency military maneuvers". So China doesn't have to intercept every single noncompliant aircraft or shoot them down. That would be ridiculous. However by merely outlining their right to perform such actions, it gives greater pseud-legal scope for the PLAAF and PLANAF to defend China's security against forward based USAF strike fighters, bombers, and USN carrier based aircraft that operate in the ECS. Even a neutral observer would understand that China faces a massive air threat from forward based US combat aircraft, and an ADIZ is the least China should have in place to defend the mainland from potential air attacks. So, if Japan and the US wants China to back down, what can they do? Well, Japan may be be able to make China agree to rescind part of its ADIZ over the disputed islands if Japan too retracts its ADIZ a couple of hundred kilometers to make the islansd "de militarized" and also if Japan agrees that the islands are indeed under dispute and begins bilateral negotiations. Frankly I believe this was one of the main goals of including the ADIZ over the islands. But if Japan or the US wants China to abolish its ADIZ completely, they are very much mistaken. Like I said, China faces massive air threats -- perhaps the most any single large nation in the world faces, aside from Iran and North Korea. US carrier battle groups and airbases hold a good fraction of the US war machine's airstrike capability, and it is flexible, competent and dangerous -- and aimed at China. Until such a threat is far from China's doorstep, China has a need to secure its peripheral airspace with an ADIZ. Hell, the continental US faces virtually no air threat from any nation, yet its ADIZ is still one of the most massive in the world. So in that sense, don't expect China to abolish its ADIZ.

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[...] Like I said, China faces massive air threats -- perhaps the most any single large nation in the world faces, aside from Iran and North Korea. [...]
You'll have to be more explicit. What air threat? Who is going to violate China's airspace and why? Bombing? Spying? Please, do elaborate.

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You'll have to be more explicit. What air threat? Who is going to violate China's airspace and why? Bombing? Spying? Please, do elaborate.
More explicit? You've read my posts surely.
However by merely outlining their right to perform such actions, it gives greater pseud-legal scope for the PLAAF and PLANAF to defend China's security against forward based USAF strike fighters, bombers, and USN carrier based aircraft that operate in the ECS. Even a neutral observer would understand that China faces a massive air threat from forward based US combat aircraft, and an ADIZ is the least China should have in place to defend the mainland from potential air attacks.
Even before Air Sea Battle, America held a massive air power stationed right outside China's door in its asian bases, with many of the aircraft capable of launching stand off weapons against the Chinese mainland. With Air Sea Battle, the US has all but said they want to attack the Chinese mainland. The US would not accept a similar disposition of forces near its borders from China or Russia if ever nation could field such a force, so I'm sure you can comprehend why China at the very minimal least needs an ADIZ.
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Japanese maps showing the ID zones http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BaJ_YgRCAAA9I5h.jpg http://amd.c.yimg.jp/im_sigg17faZQKhhpPvOPlVBHR.Gw---x450-y437-q90/amd/20131126-00000006-wordleaf-000-4-view.jpg a little bit of history from January this year The standoff between Japan and China escalated to a new level after both sides sent their jets to tail each other in airspace near the cluster of disputed islands that has created tension between the two powers. A Chinese Y-8 transport plane flew near the vicinity of the Diaoyu or Senkaku islands (as they are known by the Chinese and the Japanese respectively) on what the Defense Ministry in Beijing described as a “routine patrol” on Thursday. It was immediately tailed by a Japanese F-15. Chinese authorities then ordered two more J-10 planes into the air, to perform “verification and monitoring” on the Japanese aircraft. "Aircraft from Japan's Self-Defense Forces have intensified their surveillance activities against China, and expanded the area of their scope, disturbing the normal patrols and training of Chinese civilian and military aircraft," said a spokesman from China’s Ministry of Defense. A Foreign Ministry spokesman followed with another statement, accusing Tokyo of “creating tension”. Japanese officials responded by claiming that Chinese planes have increasingly intruded into the airspace above the islands, which are currently owned by Japan. They noted that over the past year alone jets protecting the area had to be scrambled over 150 times, though it is not clear how many of those were a reaction to China’s presence. http://rt.com/news/china-japan-diaoyu-senkaku-822/ http://img.atwiki.jp/image/tmp/namacha/namacha_732.jpg http://blog-imgs-18-origin.fc2.com/g/a/i/gaikoanzenhosyo/Y8MPA.jpg At a monthly briefing for Chinese reporters, a spokesman, Yang Yujun, said it was “incorrect” to suggest China would shoot down planes in the zone. On Thursday, Japan’s top government spokesman, Yoshihide Suga, said that the Chinese had not been notified of the Japanese flights, and reported that China had not scrambled its fighter jets to intercept them. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/29/world/asia/japan-south-korea-fly-military-planes-in-zone-set-by-china.html?_r=0

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With all my respect (and I am sure you'd be able to understand that I did not comment your assertions around the disputed island (Yes, I did read all!) as I feel like I won't be able to fully apprehend fully the motives of the dispute after a simple week of researching due to my lack of cultural background - And, pls, don't take me wrong we have separatist movement in continental France in which I even don't understand nothing).
Yes I can appreciate your possible unfamiliarity to the nature of this dispute, and I hope my response wasn't too harsh. However what I stated in my last three or four posts is basically a summary of the motivations of China, which I draw from the last few years of observing the crisis reach the point we are at now.
If so, the best move would hve been to move your H6 close to the coast of California, sail that aircraft carrier down-to the Gulf of mexico and put a protest in front of the ONU.
Well, let's just say that if China did present a credible striking capability very close to the US then we might see something not too different to the Cuban missile crisis. Everyone knows the Soviets deployed missiles to cuba in response to a similar US deployment of missiles to turkey, and history has shown that the US has some rather double standards in regards to asserting its right to threaten other countries while being very bellicose if the continental US is threatened even by a much smaller force. I was more pointing out why China would need an ADIZ in the first place. ----
Stephanie Kleine-Ahlbrandt, Asia-Pacific director at the US Institute of Peace, said the creation of its zone had its own momentum. "The danger in the announcement is that it empowers the People's Liberation Army, maritime agencies and netizens [internet users] to hold the government to account," she said. "Now people are transgressing the zone, they have to make it look to the domestic audience like they are serious. They have given birth to internal pressures."
Interesting, so if China didn't intercept the aircraft then apparently it's Chinese weakness, but if China does then apparently they are just playing to the domestic audience. I want to point out that the claims of nationalism are wildly overstated. Quoting a few extremely nationalistic weibo (chinese twitter) posts doesn't reflect the average mindset, and media often like to choose the most extreme weibo posts from "netizens" as if that reflects underlying common thinking. Specifically, even if the government "mishandles" a situation such as not intercepting a specific foreign aircraft or something, it's not like the populace is going to riot against the government. It's amazing that the media are construing the ADIZ somehow as a threat to the government's legitimacy which is why China is now patrolling the ADIZ. I mean, China surely couldn't be patrolling the ADIZ now because... wait for it... because they proclaimed an ADIZ??? Surely not! They must have declared an ADIZ being unprepared for the consequences of foreign military aircraft not adhering to its rules and now are "forced" to live up to their claims! Oh silly china, you painted yourself in a corner, clearly your ADIZ was a bad move and you didn't think it out and now they have to live up to the expectations they created! Lol. (The last paragraph was sarcasm in case anyone didn't get it)
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A quick history lesson shows those islands were "awarded" to Japan during their colonial era, remember about 100 years ago when all these big powers, Japan, US etc. were slicing China and patting themselves over their backs for it ? Besides looks at the frigging map and see where China and Japan are and where the Diaoyus are! Hello captain obvious! Today though, the mere involvement of the yanks pushing their vassal japanese and korean governments from behind throw away any credibility of japanese claims of those islands. In fact it's purely for US interests: those islands and especially their airspace and possibly underwater are serving for spying on chinese surface and submarine vessels when going out of chinese waters, and spying on China proper. Their "support" also serves the US media war against China by painting them as "evil" and trying to take land away from the "good and peaceful" Japan etc. Plus they also have similar skeletons in their closet as well, remember Guantanamo Bay, and who it REALLY belongs to? I do. But the whole farce can be seen from the very reaction to the new chinese ADIZ. It wasn't the japanese who challenged it first, not the koreans, no. It was the yanks! What?! Can anyone else see the hypocrisy?
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Lol the longer an internet discussion about China continues, the more likely it is to feature tibet ot 1989. Hey Mig, let's stick this discussion to the ADIZ, yeah? The ADIZ is quite a separate issue to the SCS territorial disputes too.

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You know, Mig, not responding to replies and posting irrelevant divergent topics is exactly the reason you were banned on SDF. In this case, neither of your last two posts aren't particularly relevant to the ADIZ. And bolding and increasing font size don't make them any more relevant, alrighty?