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The airflow distortion on engine #2 must be terrible.

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on the other hand, it is sensed to be a tech demonstrator, awaiting for 5X

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HAHAHAHAHAHA! JSR! WOW!

You have not presented one shred of evidence that the four KJ2000 were actually converted in Russia with a Russian AESA beyond your opinion that China neither had the technical ability or money to do it?! China not have the money??????????????????That economic boom completely passed you by did it JSR????

NOT A SHRED OF EVIDENCE!

Come on show us a picture of the aircraft being delivered from Russia! Show us one shred of evidence that this happened! Show us the smiling Chinese officials shaking hands with their Russian counterparts! So, because a few articles speculated when the Israelis cancelled the Phalcon order that the Chinese were in negotiations for the A-50E in 2000 you believe that actually happened despite ZERO EVIDENCE OF ANY ORDER being made! WOW! JUST WOW! Despite the vast amount of evidence including actual video footage of the Chinese facility doing the work to convert an il76 into a KJ2000 to JSR that is fake and there was a secret deal with Russia.

Despite there being a vast amount of evidence that the KJ2000 were converted locally with a Chinese AESA you still make yourself look stupid with your silly theory. So are you saying China faked the AESA radar they fitted to the Lanzhou class destroyer and the KJ2000. You saying that in complete secret China actually ordered a Russian system that even the Russians haven't admitted to!

You are a funny man JSR, stubborn certainly.

Enjoy your fantasy world.

But hey you have given me a laugh today!


Vast amount of evidence? from where is that evidence. That Video is joke. there is no way you can find from that who did the structural tests and develop the AESA.
You have manufacturer websites? and even if there is manufacturer website there is no way they are going to acknowledge technology transfer. There was simply no money for AESA in 2001. It is much later development only after Russia finish its own AESA development. Infact Fighter AESA is much harder to develop. that MIG-35 AESA was shown in Aero India back in 2007. it is very reasonable to presume that Russia AWACS AESA development finished much earlier than that. They are waiting for suitable platform.

Just look around and see how much technical competence you can find. Just compare J-15 copying with MIG-29K weopon load tests.
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I told you who did the structural tests JSR, Beriev as part of the contract for the A-50I Phalcon. Those structural changes were made to the airframe and delivered to China from Russia in 2000 - you can't deny that there many photos of that aircraft in from 1999 with those structural changes and plenty with radar from 2003. China had started an AESA program in the 90's and the and they had a domestic AESA available for their ships by 1998. The radar probably used technology transferred from the Ukraine, Russia and Israel. Again nobody is denying that China based their indigenous designs on foreign technology transfer. China had AESA radar technology available for the crash program that led to the KJ2000.

Again how is that video a joke, I see a fully working aircraft production facility. How is it a joke? Come on please do explain JSR, we need a laugh. So you think China FAKED that video, that is what you are saying isn't it!

The truth is you can't stand idea that China has a domestic aerospace industry. All you bring is silly theories and links to unrelated thinks like the ARJ21 and waffle about the Mig-35 vs the J-15. Yes AESA are hard to develop, China has said as much many times and it is well known that they have used technology transfer and a degree of industrial espionage to get where they are now. You can't change the fact that the KJ2000 exists, it is actual flying hardware and you can do nothing about it JSR.

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I told you who did the structural tests JSR, Beriev as part of the contract for the A-50I Phalcon. Those structural changes were made to the airframe and delivered to China from Russia in 2000 - you can't deny that there many photos of that aircraft in from 1999 with those structural changes and plenty with radar from 2003. China had started an AESA program in the 90's and the and they had a domestic AESA available for their ships by 1998. The radar probably used technology transferred from the Ukraine, Russia and Israel. Again nobody is denying that China based their indigenous designs on foreign technology transfer. China had AESA radar technology available for the crash program that led to the KJ2000.

Its delivered to China but how you know it is empty airframe?. You don't even know the delivery date of airframe. Just assuming it went to China in year 2000.
but you constantly ignore the A-50E agreement and improvement to it. off course you haven't seen the inside of aircraft. They did not get license for changes nor the radar tech.
AESA programe in 1990s? where is that evidence. They have very little budget for radar tech. they were importing Zhuk radars for fighters to copy them.

Again how is that video a joke, I see a fully working aircraft production facility. How is it a joke? Come on please do explain JSR, we need a laugh. So you think China FAKED that video, that is what you are saying isn't it!

Nothing to do with aircraft modification and tests. design and strength tests is all computers.

The truth is you can't stand idea that China has a domestic aerospace industry. All you bring is silly theories and links to unrelated thinks like the ARJ21 and waffle about the Mig-35 vs the J-15. Yes AESA are hard to develop, China has said as much many times and it is well known that they have used technology transfer and a degree of industrial espionage to get where they are now. You can't change the fact that the KJ2000 exists, it is actual flying hardware and you can do nothing about it JSR.

silly theories. Look at the past 20 years aviation projects.
L-15 simply license and still its production/development is slower than Yak-130.
ARJ-21 the less said the better.
MIG-29K certified (enhanced engines/spine) with external loads ahead of J-15. (that despite constraint of developing under Indian budget/requirements).
I never made comparision of MIG-35 to J-15.
MIG-35 is demonstration of fighter AESA in 2007 for export. Ship/AWACS AESA is much lower tech. SAAB could built Saab 340 in 1990s but not Gripen AESA.
based on these results. its very unreasonable that that China can modify 4 A-50E ahead of Russia delivering 3 A-50EI for India. It was Russia that built 25 A-50 AWACS and modified A-50I first time without giving license. so the only logical conclusion is that all those 4 A-50E are exported to China along with improvements and every one knows that there will be 4 A-50E in year 2000. when no one had clue what will happen to the deal.

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AESA programe in 1990s? where is that evidence.

There´s an ungodly number of articles in places like Janes, Flight Global, Aviation Week, etc, that cover this issue, the Chinese have developed airborne AESA radars, its a fact. In this forúm the likes of Deino have, for years, been covering chinese developments, read their texts.

On another note, the KJ2000 is not an A-50E and its radar is indeed Chinese. If you want to search for a foreign source of "inspiration" for the radar try Israel, not Russia.

A interview with one of the developers, right here:
http://www.china-defense-mashup.com/radar-expert-unveils-the-development-of-chinese-kj-2000-awacs.html/2

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Sintra,

Yes you are on the right track, just because "Congress" pressurised IAI into cancelling the original deal to install an AESA into those BE-50's for the Chinese, it would be reasonably to conclude that by that stage the Chinese scientists had got a pretty good handle on how the AESA Radar system worked. The Israelis are pretty good at working around other people's rules and I would be willing to bet that the KJ-2000's radar isn't vastly different to that in the Indian Air Force's Beriev A50EI.

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Exactly :eagerness:

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There´s an ungodly number of articles in places like Janes, Flight Global, Aviation Week, etc, that cover this issue, the Chinese have developed airborne AESA radars, its a fact. In this forúm the likes of Deino have, for years, been covering chinese developments, read their texts.

On another note, the KJ2000 is not an A-50E and its radar is indeed Chinese. If you want to search for a foreign source of "inspiration" for the radar try Israel, not Russia.

A interview with one of the developers, right here:
http://www.china-defense-mashup.com/radar-expert-unveils-the-development-of-chinese-kj-2000-awacs.html/2


so you can learn AWACS and its structural modification by inspiration. This is all hearsay. Infact there is no evidence that initial model of A-50E were AESA. it is much later upgrade recently. and don't believe on interviews. see the ARJ-21 designer interview and its 21st century jet. In that time Israel does not have industrial capacity to fully make it. It need US permission for sale to India and China only partially paid for it. very little chance they copied anything.


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US Approves Advanced Radar Sale By Israel to India