The PAK-FA News, Pics & Debate Thread XXV

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With 3000+ posts and hopefully great MAKS photos coming soon, isn't it time for a new thread? btw spasiba to all the learned contributors :applause:
Confucius also say:
...if T-50-6-2 no fly soon, me gonna eat it!!
https://chriscollison.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/111019_confucius_shanghai.jpg?w=300&h=199 1.44's regular parking spot or hasn't it moved (yet)? http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6605/59743220.95/0_7878b_29f66a87_orig
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^That is fairly old pic btw. But yeah, it is still there.
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those crazy Israelis. look what they are writing http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=67903 Tuesday, July 21, 2015 Iran expected to buy Russian Sukhoi PAK FA T-50 stealth fighter bombers The Iran Deal Will Help Russia Have A Stealth Air Force Stephen Bryen July 15, 2015 World News ? http://www.business2community.com/world-news/the-iran-deal-will-help-russia-have-a-stealth-air-force-01277064 The Iran deal will boost Russia’s arms industry and make it possible for Russia to replace its older aircraft with newer stealth models. Thanks to the deal approved by the U.S., the allies and by Russia, the arms embargo on Iran will “officially” be lifted in 5 years. But the rush to sell arms to Iran has been on for some time and defense companies from Europe along with the Russians, Chinese and North Koreans have been flocking to Tehran offering their wares. The biggest single need for Iran is fighter and bomber aircraft. There have been many reports that iran has already made deals with China and Russia, but the big deals are still ahead of us. That’s because until now Iran did not have the cash. The nuclear deal is pouring cash into Iran most of which will be spent on arms. Iran’s Air Force is dilapidated. It has old F-4 Phantom Jets (64, the number in service not known), F-14’s (44 out of 80 remain in service) and F-5’s (60 out of 140 operational) from the United States. Iran has 30 MIG-29A’s of which 24 are in service and 24 Mirage F1’s that were evacuated from Iraq and never returned. Iran has some 20 Sukhoi-24 bombers and some Sukhoi Su-25’s both of which were formerly Iraqi aircraft. Reportedly Iran sent 7 of the Su-25’s back to Iran to use against ISIS. Iran also has around 20 Chinese F-7M fighters it bought in the 1980s. None of the aircraft in Iran’s inventory can stand up to US made F-15’s and F-16’s let alone deal with the F-22 or the forthcoming F-35. For Iran to claim regional power it must upgrade its air force radically. Most of all, to stay abreast it needs a genuine stealth fighter bomber. That is why the lifting of the arms embargo is fortuitous for Iran since it allows the Russians to offer their new Sukhoi PAK FA T-50 stealth fighter bomber. The T-50 is a fifth generation air superiority and attack aircraft that uses stealth technology, has a supercruise capability and is regarded as far more maneuvreable than the F-22 or the F-35. In fact, the PAK FA T-50 is the Russian Air Force answer to the F-22. The F-50 is not yet in production. There are many problems on the Russian side, but the biggest one is lack of cash. That is why the Russians have been working hard to convince India to be the first international customer for the F-50. But the Indians have been taking their time, raising objections, criticizing the workmanship of the aircraft and have evinced alarm about the reliability of the F-50 engines. In turn this has created a major delay in the Russian ability to finance the F-50 for its own air force. Initial production has been delayed and pushed into 2016, with many experts suggesting it will even be delayed further. Iran, therefore, can bail out the Russian Air Force by helping to finance the PAK-T-50 program. Helping to finance based on future deliveries probably is consistent with the deal struck by the allies, since it is not quite a sale and the aircraft won’t immediately be transferred to Iran. When the PAK T-50’s get to Iran, Israel, Saudi Arabia and Jordan will face a formidable problem. The Russian plane has the latest radars and weapons packages and its stealth will make it hard to defeat the T-50 with stand off weapons. The entire theory of the F-35, for example, is based on the idea of knocking the enemy out before the enemy detects the F-35. But if Russia’s stealth system turns out to be good, that advantage is liquidated. For the western countries, most arms sales to Iran are likely to be electronics and spare parts instead of major systems. Iran will want parts for its F-5’s and F-4’s, perhaps for its F-14’s, and may also seek improvements on those platforms such as better radars or electronic warfare pods. But for sure the big potential benefactor is Russia. One other significant impact is that the opening up of arms sales undermines the sanctions on Russia put there because of Russia’s military adventurism in the Ukraine. For the most part this deal makes those sanctions largely superfluous because, other than the export of its mineral wealth, Russia productivity is largely focused on its military industry. That is why the Russians are pushing so hard on the Ukraine, because a significant share of their military manufacturing is in Ukrainian hands and the Russians want it back. While Congress will look at the nuclear deal primarily from the point of view of its adequacy and enforceability, the fact that the deal will boost Russia’s arms industry and help it rapidly build its Air Force’s stealth capability is a major strategic concern that should not be swept under the table. ====================== Dr. Stephen Bryen is a Washington DC -based leader in both the public and private sectors. He served in a senior position on the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee, as Deputy Under Secretary of Defense, as the founder and first Director of the Defense Technology Security Administration, and as the President of Finmeccanica North America, Italy's largest defense and high technology company. Dr. Bryen also served under a Congressional appointment as a Commissioner on the U.S.-China Security Review Commission. Dr. Bryen specializes in security technology. His company Ziklag Systems is focused on security solutions for mobile platforms. Dr. Bryen is a prolific writer and his LinkedIn profile contains links to papers and articles, as well as book contributions, over more than 30 http://i59.tinypic.com/2vs4t5i.jpg

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So, the T50 is so badly made that the Indians are complaining ..... But the Indians have been takingtheir time, raising objections, criticizing the workmanship of the aircraft and have evinced alarm about the reliability of the F-50 engines .... and yet it is so good that it will wipe the floor with all the opposition.... When the PAK T-50’s get to Iran, Israel, Saudi Arabia and Jordan will face a formidable problem. The Russian plane has the latest radars and weapons packages and its stealth will make it hard to defeat the T-50 with stand off weapons. Which is it ??? Ken
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So, the T50 is so badly made that the Indians are complaining ..... But the Indians have been takingtheir time, raising objections, criticizing the workmanship of the aircraft and have evinced alarm about the reliability of the F-50 engines .... and yet it is so good that it will wipe the floor with all the opposition.... When the PAK T-50’s get to Iran, Israel, Saudi Arabia and Jordan will face a formidable problem. The Russian plane has the latest radars and weapons packages and its stealth will make it hard to defeat the T-50 with stand off weapons. Which is it ??? Ken
not supporting their claims. but the two things you point out are not the same. first is about reliability and quality, the other is about performance. you can have an unreliable product that kicks ass see F-14, Tiger I tank.
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I particularly enjoy the silly trope that Russia needs foreign money to fund the program and the implication that Indian money is keeping it going. Or that somehow an Iranian purchase leads directly to both sukhoi inventing a time machine ( to magically complete all the serial components earlier) and the defense budget somehow increasing massively. Poo article is poo.

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[ATTACH=CONFIG]239558[/ATTACH] Whatever about the article the pic is sexy...:D Edit...ehh I meant the camo scheme on the aircraft not the rather under dressed fella from 300.:o
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Instead of posting ****ty articles, lets stick to post actually info, how about that?
Согласно последнему графику, Т-50-5Р должен совершить первый полёт 22.08., передача ОКБ 06.09. ОЧК Т-50-7 должны быть переданы в Жуковский до 30.09. Тем временем на основе результатов статиспытаний фюзеляжа Т-50-7 выявлена необходимость в усилении шпангоута №23. Таким образом сроки постройки Т-50-6-2 существенно сдвигаются. Теперь первый полёт должен состояться 5 октября, а передача ОКБ - 28 декабря. Такой большой промежуток между этими датами обусловлен тем, что на самолёт впервые полностью будет нанесено РПП. Т-50-8, соответственно, съезжает на 2016.
According to the latest schedule, T-50-5R should make the first flight of 22.08., transfer to OKB 06.09. OChK (wing parts) for T-50-7 should be transferred to Zhukovsky by 30.09. Meanwhile, during static testing of T-50-7 fuselage identified the need to strengthen the frame №23. Thus the timing of construction of T-50-6-2 significantly shifted. Now, the first flight will take place on October 5 and the transfer to OKB - 28 December. Such a large gap between these dates is due to the fact that the first plane that will have a fully applied RAM (!). T-50-8, respectively, shifts to 2016.
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Mmmmmm.....truly mouthwatering, thanks. I wonder if the ОЧК has anything to do with the rumoured adaptive wing. Here's the SSJ's ОЧК: http://superjet.wdfiles.com/local--files/wiki:konstrukcia-ock/6.jpg ...anyways, roll on the CNT/fullerene RAM, PMC cowlings, eye popping tolerances and rivet covers. http://orig10.deviantart.net/b9c1/f/2014/199/1/a/tigger_bounce_by_piranha2021-d7r9n1s.gif
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I just really really hope that the RAM paint will look nice. Dik_A has described the one he has seen as "pretty dark".

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Adaptive wing like the Mig35 (see patent)?
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I got curious where the spar number 23 might be so i looked up the good old structural patent for T-50: http://i.imgur.com/0TNoTwz.gif http://www.freepatent.ru/images/patents/22/2462395/patent-2462395.pdf Two things to consider; 1; The patent is almost certainly for "phase 1" airframe. 2; Phase 2 frame has supposedly been redesigned and that is what T-50-7 is testing. So likelyhood that the spar is in the same location is quite slim. None the less i was curious so i looked it up.

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The beefing up of the early airframe with external panel added to the wing skin gave us a pretty good indication that they faced some roll-inertia problem. That it has to be the cause of non-accurate model or some non anticipated weights, we don't know. Anyhow it's not something that will jeopardize the plane.
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Adaptive wing like the Mig35 (see patent)?
Yeah, and the MiG-29K/KUB and the Su-33KUB: http://www.paralay.com/su27kub/kub3.jpg
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Pic taken May 2014, published 27/07/15: http://www.airforce.ru/content/attachments/65613d1438282628-v_vorobyov_t-50_55_1600.jpg

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Short Sputnik article. 31/7/2015.
Russia and India will continue their co-development of a fifth-generation fighter plane after signing an experimental design contract, India’s defense minister said on Friday.
http://sputniknews.com/asia/20150731/1025268050.html
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Pic taken May 2014, published 27/07/15: http://www.airforce.ru/content/attachments/65613d1438282628-v_vorobyov_t-50_55_1600.jpg
What an incredibly beautiful paint scheme. Nothing quite as beautiful as this that I've seen in recent times. Most beautiful 5th gen plane I'd vote.

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angled tail appart, the raptorsky is not really a Vlo 5th Gen plane, is it?
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angled tail appart, the raptorsky is not really a Vlo 5th Gen plane, is it?
Sigh.
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angled tail appart, the raptorsky is not really a Vlo 5th Gen plane, is it?
Yeah-yeah, you're right... ... Take your pills...
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Come on, ignore the blatant troll bait.