Sukhoi 35 on offer to Pakistan....How true ? and does it make sense

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Hi Fellas, just came across a link which states that Russia would consider selling the 35 Super Flanker to Pakistan....does it make sense ?, because if the Russians do, it would loose out on a very big customer i.e. India

1. The PaK-Fa, Sukhoi T-50 could loose steam

2. Up-gradation of the Mig-29 warplanes sold earlier to India could loose steam

3. India has agreed to purchase 200 Kamov-226T Helicopters from Russia, a Billion dollar
deal, future deals like this / mid-life upgradation of the Indian 226T will be effected
negatively.

4. Co-Development of the Hypersonic version of the Brahmos could loose steam...

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These are the cheapest and most effective products for money. India is not some engineering power that other countries are lining up for complex hardware co development with India.

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These are the cheapest and most effective products for money. India is not some engineering power that other countries are lining up for complex hardware co development with India.

India, Russia and Pakistan are simply looking into diversifying their bases. For some products, they have to rely on their traditional suppliers whilst for others they could look elsewhere. For whatever reason. It's no longer going to be because we buy from you, therefore you cannot supply to them. Having said this, this news item is nothing more than pressure tactics/water testing for now.

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There is no risk for Russia to lose sales in India. Indians get b!tch slapped over and over again by say Dassault, and still are hellbent to throw money at them. So, why should the Russians treat them differently ?

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If the Russians want to keep Su-35 engine technology out of Chinese hands, selling the Su-35 to Pakistan is not the way to do it.

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If the Russians want to keep Su-35 engine technology out of Chinese hands, selling the Su-35 to Pakistan is not the way to do it.

The composition of the metal is not something that can be figured out. It is an alien secret. Nazis got it when they traveled to Tibet and got the ancient Sanskrit texts. Then the US, Russia, Britain, France got it from the texts after WW2.

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Nonsense the Chinese can figure out anything. I mean they have an exact copy of the F-119 right?

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No haavarla. The Chinese are the best at everything, because they are Chinese right?

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if you are being sarcastic, pls throw in some smileys.. makes it easier to tell.

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Seems to be anyway ;)

Over 20 uears after they started copying the CFM56, the chinese copies were nowhere near the reliability and durability, compared to the original, because they still did know how to make the materials used in them

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Japs began copying substandard cars, it took them 30 years to become the masters
perhaps Chinks takes the same route ?

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Tut tut... Where has the discussion branched off to? BTW don't think "Chinks" would be appreciated by our Chinese colleagues. Its a bit like "Japs", "Niggers", "Limeys" and "Yanks".

Pakistan never plays games in her procurement, they are always very serious and focused on their purchases. I can't remember a time when they pretended to purchase something just to dig politics.

Its probably the reason they are very seriously taken even though they don't have deep pockets. They are known for decisive, sometimes fast purchases.

This particular purchase makes a lot of sense for maritime reasons: would significantly restrict the Indian CBG while compensating for abysmal ship based AD.

That, I think is the main reason for considering the purchase. Incidentally, they could also prove to be the best antidote for the Rafale and for having more political clout in the ME.

I wish Bangladesh could purchase Su35s, but would be happy with JH7Bs.

I think the stumbling point is that PAF would want Chinese/varied munitions. This would be cost prohibitive to integrate. Buying the frame from Russia and avionics / weapons from China (Chinese radar), would be very complicated and prone to bugs.

So, two possible choices are there - Chinese radar and weapons or integration of 3-4 Chinese/Pakistani weapons such as the CM400AKG, C802, RAAD, sd10/PL15.

Another sticking point would be what goodies it comes with such as R27s... LRAAM.

If these sticking points can be resolved and the price is right, we could see 20-36 Su35s within this decade.