J-10B vs F-2

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J-10A vs F-2

Japan's F-2 vs. China's Lethal J-10 Fighter: Who Wins?

At long ranges, the F-2 would eat the J-10 alive. At short ranges, the tables turn.
Kyle Mizokami

October 13, 2015
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In the case of Japan F-2 production has already ceased, so the emphasis is on upgrading existing planes. The F-2 is receiving new data links and a new radar, the J/APG-2, which will be mated with the AAM-4B air to air missile. The AAM-4B is currently the only missile in the world with its own AESA radar. The after-launch target lock capability of the AAM-4B allows pilots to launch the missile and begin evasive maneuvers before achieving radar lock.

Japan’s F-2 would have the advantage in long-range fights, being able to launch AAM-4B missiles from beyond visual range and then “turn and burn” in retreat. Thanks to their data links, F-2 units will be able to coordinate these long-range launches for maximum effect. Although China’s new phased array radar may be good, Japan’s long experience in radars means it’s safe to assume that the Japanese radar is better. J-10s might take serious losses in a scrape with the F-2 before they can even engage the enemy.

If on the other hand the J-10 could get in close, the infra-red search and track capability will give the Chinese fighter an advantage in short-range fights. The F-2 has no IRST.

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Both the J-10 and F-2 have their advantages and disadvantages. At long ranges, the F-2 would eat the J-10 alive. At short ranges, the tables turn. The long-range battle comes first though, and the F-2’s advantage could be enough to end the fight before both sides enter visual range. In the end, the F-2 comes out ahead in this duel of fighters.

http://www.nationalinterest.org/feature/japans-f-2-vs-chinas-j-10-who-wins-14056?page=2

But, if replacing J-10B for J10A, it would be a different matter

Two darling of PLAAF and JASDF confront each other, some basic information of their strengths and weaknesses

J-10B

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb214/frelon94/frelon94001/J-10B.jpg

DSI intake (reduce RCS, reduce weight and improve maneuverability of the aircraft)
RAM
IRST
AESA radar
Add more EW/ECM
MAWS (missile approach warning)
Very long-range missile (PL-15, ~200km)

F-2

http://blog-imgs-42.fc2.com/j/a/p/japan4war/blog_import_5139c327e38aa.jpg

Best AAMBVR (AAM-4B AESA radar seeker, 100~120km, not affected by the ECM)
AESA radar
EW/ECM

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Weakness: J-10B

Delta-canard (RCS head-on increases)
ECM useless against AAM-4B
Quality WS-10A engine is unstable and weaknesses of China's aviation technology

Weakness: F-2

No IRST
RCS larger than J-10B because no design DSI, RAM no paint
FCR (J/APG-1) and AAM-4B seeker with a narrow scan angle, short-range (comparison with PESA, pulse-Doppler), they have weaknesses of AESA technology

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Weakness: J-10B

Delta-canard (RCS head-on increases)
ECM useless against AAM-4B
Quality WS-10A engine is unstable and weaknesses of China's aviation technology

Weakness: F-2

No IRST
RCS larger than J-10B because no design DSI, RAM no paint
FCR (J/APG-1) and AAM-4B seeker with a narrow scan angle, short-range (comparison with PESA, pulse-Doppler), they have weaknesses of AESA technology

hallo sexy

fyi f-2 was designed to sink ships first, not fighters.
j-10b was designed as a fighter first

also
j-10b uses pesa, not aesa. this was confirmed by everyone except for the chicafans. they're still struggling with the development of fighter sized AESA
f-2 is using a first gen aesa. Japan was the first to adopt a fighter sized AESA radar in the world (or second). they are planning to install a new second gen AESA.

both have crap ranges and will likely sink into the ocean before meeting in the sky

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Compare things like cannon, navigation tools, HUDs, electrical capacity, ejection seat, helmet sights, individual hard point combination, canopy view, external fuel tanks, in-flight refueling options, etc. The F-2A will win pretty much across the board.

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Frankly, I can't see how the F-2A wins this across the board.
ACES II vs Baker 10, is that really a base for a comparison? :)

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ACES II vs Baker 10, is that really a base for a comparison? :)

seeing as how both have range issues and this fight is likely over the seas and bingo fuel each other to death.. sure why not
he who survives his crash lives another day to crash again.

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J-10B does not use WS-10 engine.

As for who wins, why would you compare 1v1 when the cost ratio is probably 5:1 or better in favour of J-10B?

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J-10B does not use WS-10 engine.

As for who wins, why would you compare 1v1 when the cost ratio is probably 5:1 or better in favour of J-10B?

what is the cost of the j-10b?

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what is the cost of the j-10b?

A lot less than the $120m (2009 USD) unit cost of F-2.

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A lot less than the $120m (2009 USD) unit cost of F-2.

in other words you don't know. I couldn't find it, and I've a feeling neither can you.

2015 USD, the 12 billion yen F-2 is now $100m

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in other words you don't know. I couldn't find it, and I've a feeling neither can you.

Of course I don't know. Nonetheless the point is beyond serious dispute. Costs for Japanese defense products are exorbitant even by western standards, whereas costs are much lower in China. And of course with the F-2 specifically one has to add the various license fees going to Lockheed Martin for use of the F-16 design.

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The national interest website is not much better than a tabloid these days... and articles like this aren't really helping its reputation. I think most of the members here know how useless directly comparing two aircraft is, unless one is interested in a pissing contest.

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hallo sexy

fyi f-2 was designed to sink ships first, not fighters.
j-10b was designed as a fighter first

also
j-10b uses pesa, not aesa. this was confirmed by everyone except for the chicafans. they're still struggling with the development of fighter sized AESA

Well uh. This is awkward. The PESA news came from the "chicafans" and also disputed by the "chicafans". In other words, I don't know what confirmation you're talking about.

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Well uh. This is awkward. The PESA news came from the "chicafans" and also disputed by the "chicafans". In other words, I don't know what confirmation you're talking about.

you should do a search and look at all the older threads in this forum.

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you should do a search and look at all the older threads in this forum.

But key forums isn't really the go to resource for confirmation or denial of Chinese military developments, if that is the basis of your conclusion, it's a rather small and poorly representative sample

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you should do a search and look at all the older threads in this forum.

Why? I not only know where the information showed up in this forum, but which other forums the information came from. I *traced* the source on this one back to the original Chinese military forum the information first showed up. Do recall that members of Sinodefence and China-Defence posting here are the only reasons people here even know what's going on with Chinese aerospace.