By: FBW
- 30th January 2019 at 14:34Permalink- Edited 30th January 2019 at 14:36
6th generation..... courtesy of Bill Sweetman. He alone can label fighter generations. Facts not withstanding that there is no consensus among the various nations and services to what characteristics will define the next generation of fighters.
Who needs that when you can just slap a label on a warmed over design from the 1980's with COTS (though current and modern) avionics, and software. Personally, I would view the titular "sixth generation fighter" as possessing next generation technology expanding the boundaries of what is possible today (and at low technology readiness levels), not the best of what is mature and available today.
By: halloweene
- 31st January 2019 at 18:45Permalink
Gripen has good chances there, thanks to sweden giving strategic depth. Can anyone here tell meto what degree Finland is integrated into NATO systems (i know it is not in NATO, but things like L-16 etc.?)
Gripen has good chances there, thanks to sweden giving strategic depth. Can anyone here tell meto what degree Finland is integrated into NATO systems (i know it is not in NATO, but things like L-16 etc.?)
Yes, Finns extensively use Link16 nowadays, and in MLU Hornets had the domestic datalink replaced with Link 16 (to chagrin of some...). Similar what Swedes did with Gripen A/B -> C/D.
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By: Anonymous
- 12th February 2019 at 06:47Permalink
Like the LCA (Tejas) the Gripen just arrived to late to the party. If, they had fully funded both and got them into service a good decade ago. The could have cut into F-16 sales big time. Yet, they took their time and were way to conservative in their development. Now they both missed the boat....
By: Spitfire9
- 14th February 2019 at 17:02Permalink
Gripen has been in service for over 20 years. The first production aircraft was delivered to the RSwAF in 1993.
Gripen is a light fighter. If you cannot stretch to the cost of operating a medium fighter, you cannot buy a medium fighter.IIn that situation f you need to retire your current fleet, you have 2 choices: 0 medium fighters or as many light fighters as you can afford.
SAAB seem to have a habit of doing what they said they were going to do or better, don't they? Congratulations (in advance) to them.
I wonder when Brazil will order more. Talking to a SAAB representative at Farnborough last year, he was saying that SAAB was hopeful Sweden would be increasing the size of its order, too. They also have a good chance of picking up an order for 30 or more from Switzerland and the recent cancellation of second hand F-16's from Israel makes a Croatian order a possibility. I assume that pursuing selection in Canada is a waste of time but that selection by Finland remains a possibility.
Order book might double in size in the next 2/3 years?
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By: topspeed - 30th January 2019 at 14:09 Permalink
New Gripen is also 6th generation fighter; https://hushkit.net/2018/05/12/6th-generation-swede-the-saab-gripen-e/
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By: FBW - 30th January 2019 at 14:34 Permalink - Edited 30th January 2019 at 14:36
6th generation..... courtesy of Bill Sweetman. He alone can label fighter generations. Facts not withstanding that there is no consensus among the various nations and services to what characteristics will define the next generation of fighters.
Who needs that when you can just slap a label on a warmed over design from the 1980's with COTS (though current and modern) avionics, and software. Personally, I would view the titular "sixth generation fighter" as possessing next generation technology expanding the boundaries of what is possible today (and at low technology readiness levels), not the best of what is mature and available today.
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By: halloweene - 31st January 2019 at 10:36 Permalink
Absolutley right FBW. Only LM is allowed to use X GenTM denomination
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By: Spitfire9 - 31st January 2019 at 15:45 Permalink
Saab Offers 64 Gripen to Finland
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/199538/saab-offers-64-gripen-e%C2%A7f-to-finland.html
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By: halloweene - 31st January 2019 at 18:45 Permalink
Gripen has good chances there, thanks to sweden giving strategic depth. Can anyone here tell meto what degree Finland is integrated into NATO systems (i know it is not in NATO, but things like L-16 etc.?)
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By: topspeed - 31st January 2019 at 18:46 Permalink
Finland has received 5 companys deals to replace 65 Hornets.
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By: halloweene - 31st January 2019 at 22:06 Permalink
Yep. I guess this summer Arctic challenge exercise will be strongly looked at...
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By: Yama - 10th February 2019 at 11:18 Permalink
Yes, Finns extensively use Link16 nowadays, and in MLU Hornets had the domestic datalink replaced with Link 16 (to chagrin of some...). Similar what Swedes did with Gripen A/B -> C/D.
By: Anonymous - 12th February 2019 at 06:47 Permalink
Like the LCA (Tejas) the Gripen just arrived to late to the party. If, they had fully funded both and got them into service a good decade ago. The could have cut into F-16 sales big time. Yet, they took their time and were way to conservative in their development. Now they both missed the boat....
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By: swerve - 12th February 2019 at 21:22 Permalink
Gripen has been in service for over 20 years. The first production aircraft was delivered to the RSwAF in 1993.
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By: Spitfire9 - 14th February 2019 at 17:02 Permalink
Gripen is a light fighter. If you cannot stretch to the cost of operating a medium fighter, you cannot buy a medium fighter.IIn that situation f you need to retire your current fleet, you have 2 choices: 0 medium fighters or as many light fighters as you can afford.
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By: topspeed - 15th February 2019 at 10:00 Permalink - Edited 15th February 2019 at 10:03
What was achieved with the wider LG ?
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By: djcross - 15th February 2019 at 11:48 Permalink
Improved turn over angle
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By: topspeed - 15th February 2019 at 12:26 Permalink
Does the new arrangement make the supercruise better somehow ( note the bulges )?
https://newatlas.com/gripen-e-sound-barrier/51995/
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By: Fedaykin - 15th February 2019 at 14:44 Permalink
So once Finland has satisfied the niceties of a procurement competition which block of F-35 do people think Finland will start taking deliveries from?
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By: Spitfire9 - 16th February 2019 at 10:56 Permalink - Edited 16th February 2019 at 10:57
Gripen E has gone into serial production and is expected to enter SwAF service in 2021 rather than in 2023, as previously expected
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...ets-sa-455831/
SAAB seem to have a habit of doing what they said they were going to do or better, don't they? Congratulations (in advance) to them.
I wonder when Brazil will order more. Talking to a SAAB representative at Farnborough last year, he was saying that SAAB was hopeful Sweden would be increasing the size of its order, too. They also have a good chance of picking up an order for 30 or more from Switzerland and the recent cancellation of second hand F-16's from Israel makes a Croatian order a possibility. I assume that pursuing selection in Canada is a waste of time but that selection by Finland remains a possibility.
Order book might double in size in the next 2/3 years?
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By: halloweene - 16th February 2019 at 11:56 Permalink
i do not know if SAAB or Rafale or whatever, but finnish market look much more open eyed than other recent ones.
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By: moon_light - 17th February 2019 at 07:25 Permalink
Do anyone have an overlap image of Gripen NG over F-16?
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By: topspeed - 17th February 2019 at 10:06 Permalink - Edited 17th February 2019 at 10:07
I would like to see NG over C/D ( like here below enclosed F-2 and F-16 ); https://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...ld-deter-18660
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By: swerve - 18th February 2019 at 00:30 Permalink
And space for more internal fuel.