By: totoro
- 17th October 2016 at 23:17Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I'd put my money on an one-off specialized airshow scheme. Kind of like the specialized paintwork for the PLA parades. I don't expect to see it in actual combat units.
By: Blitzo
- 17th October 2016 at 23:40Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I'd put my money on an one-off specialized airshow scheme. Kind of like the specialized paintwork for the PLA parades. I don't expect to see it in actual combat units.
Maybe, that said I don't think we've ever seen custom paint schemes for aircraft during parades before, only for land/any equipment.
I think they might just be trialling it.
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By: Byoin
- 18th October 2016 at 01:02Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I'd be more fond of a symmetrical splinter pattern than an asymmetrical one, but I'm glad they went for a subtle grey and black scheme.
I wonder if they are just trialling it out or if this will become the new standard scheme.
those dont exist, it is supposed to be asymmetrical to break up lines. this is camouflage, not a painting
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By: Y-20 Bacon
- 18th October 2016 at 04:59Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
PS: The J-10B/C might make an appearance at Zhuhai as well. Love the see the J-10B perform with the AL-31FN Series 3 which has 1000 kgf more thrust than the original AL-31FN.
By: noble
- 18th October 2016 at 18:02Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
So the front fuselage and canards must generate a lot of lift? Its wings are way back than normal.
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By: obligatory
- 18th October 2016 at 18:25Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
So the front fuselage and canards must generate a lot of lift? Its wings are way back than normal.
yeah, i'm not fond of that part either
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By: KGB
- 18th October 2016 at 19:05Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The serial production J-20 looks really great! :applause:
@ QuantumFX : thanks for the hirez pics. :eagerness:
I still think the Chinese are tricking everyone into believing that the jet is ready for mass production and commissioning. They will probably make a few copies and fly them around a bit and claim that its in service. While they still do a couple years of leg work behind the scenes
By: SolarWarden
- 18th October 2016 at 19:49Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I wonder if the Pak-Fa will ever open its weapons bay doors. J-20 did it in flight and have yet to see the Pak-Fa do it while static.
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By: Anonymous
- 18th October 2016 at 20:17Permalink- Edited 22nd October 2019 at 22:31
IIRC it flew with open bays as far back as 2014 (from when that 'performance achieved to date' slide dates). Also it reportedly launched its first missile this year - just because we didn't see it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
In any case, the work done on the modified Su-47 with its PAK-FA bay mock-up probably meant that there was no need to rush such tests.
By: SolarWarden
- 18th October 2016 at 22:08Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
IIRC it flew with open bays as far back as 2014 (from when that 'performance achieved to date' slide dates). Also it reportedly launched its first missile this year - just because we didn't see it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
In any case, the work done on the modified Su-47 with its PAK-FA bay mock-up probably meant that there was no need to rush such tests.
But the russians love to stage a lot of their military for the populace. They have Pak-Fa doing all sorts of stuff in the air showing off to the world how great their aircraft is but they don't video its weapons bay opening? Come on now! That is not the russian way. I'm probably in the majority when i say, if there's no pics or video it didn't happen. I don't know what the big deal is...they are just weapons bay. Just one pic or short vid is all it takes.
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By: Blitzo - 17th October 2016 at 22:51 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I'd be more fond of a symmetrical splinter pattern than an asymmetrical one, but I'm glad they went for a subtle grey and black scheme.
I wonder if they are just trialling it out or if this will become the new standard scheme.
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By: totoro - 17th October 2016 at 23:17 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I'd put my money on an one-off specialized airshow scheme. Kind of like the specialized paintwork for the PLA parades. I don't expect to see it in actual combat units.
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By: Blitzo - 17th October 2016 at 23:40 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Maybe, that said I don't think we've ever seen custom paint schemes for aircraft during parades before, only for land/any equipment.
I think they might just be trialling it.
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By: Byoin - 18th October 2016 at 01:02 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
those dont exist, it is supposed to be asymmetrical to break up lines. this is camouflage, not a painting
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By: Y-20 Bacon - 18th October 2016 at 04:59 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
looks great and very influenced by Russian camo
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By: QuantumFX - 18th October 2016 at 05:11 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Getting ready for Zhuhai 2016:
Notice the weapons-bay design. Its deeper in the middle. Likely for larger A-to-G munitions.
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By: QuantumFX - 18th October 2016 at 05:18 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Larger size versions of splinter camo and weapons-bay opening:
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By: KGB - 18th October 2016 at 05:55 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
You said it :highly_amused: I thought more so close to the t50
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By: Lt Anderson - 18th October 2016 at 09:31 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The serial production J-20 looks really great! :applause:
@ QuantumFX : thanks for the hirez pics. :eagerness:
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By: QuantumFX - 18th October 2016 at 17:00 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Posted by by78 @ SDF: Link
PS: The J-10B/C might make an appearance at Zhuhai as well. Love the see the J-10B perform with the AL-31FN Series 3 which has 1000 kgf more thrust than the original AL-31FN.
Large size: https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5712/30408908835_a11ba53bd9_o.jpg
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By: noble - 18th October 2016 at 18:02 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
So the front fuselage and canards must generate a lot of lift? Its wings are way back than normal.
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By: obligatory - 18th October 2016 at 18:25 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
yeah, i'm not fond of that part either
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By: KGB - 18th October 2016 at 19:05 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I still think the Chinese are tricking everyone into believing that the jet is ready for mass production and commissioning. They will probably make a few copies and fly them around a bit and claim that its in service. While they still do a couple years of leg work behind the scenes
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By: eagle - 18th October 2016 at 19:47 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Not necessarily. The deeper middle is where the ejector racks and the AAM fins go. Same as F-22.
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By: SolarWarden - 18th October 2016 at 19:49 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I wonder if the Pak-Fa will ever open its weapons bay doors. J-20 did it in flight and have yet to see the Pak-Fa do it while static.
By: Anonymous - 18th October 2016 at 20:17 Permalink - Edited 22nd October 2019 at 22:31
IIRC it flew with open bays as far back as 2014 (from when that 'performance achieved to date' slide dates). Also it reportedly launched its first missile this year - just because we didn't see it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
In any case, the work done on the modified Su-47 with its PAK-FA bay mock-up probably meant that there was no need to rush such tests.
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By: Alpha Bravo - 18th October 2016 at 21:59 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
What's the fairing next to the Luneberg lens on the underside fuselage?
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By: SolarWarden - 18th October 2016 at 22:08 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
But the russians love to stage a lot of their military for the populace. They have Pak-Fa doing all sorts of stuff in the air showing off to the world how great their aircraft is but they don't video its weapons bay opening? Come on now! That is not the russian way. I'm probably in the majority when i say, if there's no pics or video it didn't happen. I don't know what the big deal is...they are just weapons bay. Just one pic or short vid is all it takes.
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By: foxmulder_ms - 18th October 2016 at 22:30 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Part of "EODAS" suit.
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By: KGB - 18th October 2016 at 23:05 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The J 20 is more of a "hey look, I have a 5th gen stealth fighter" project than the Pak Fa is.