By: TooCool_12f
- 10th January 2018 at 19:00Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I doubt the RBE2 LAM for MICA (and Meteor) on the Rafale supports AMRAAM, even US aircraft have to be modified to use the newer AIM-120D. Not sure what foreign weapons have been integrated on Rafale, but out of the RCAF weapon inventory, likely: AIM-120, AGM-65 aren't. Any aircraft can carry the AIM-9, Rafale can carry the GBU (Paveway) series already.
We agree, as I said, physically, it can carry it (hook it on rails/pylons).. but to integrate it electronically (use it), it's another story and would need US approval/cooperation to do so ;)
By: mrmalaya
- 11th January 2018 at 07:43Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
So Rafale is unlikely to win the competition then.
Is there another aircraft that could be compatible? I mean this discussion is very circular and it's all been said before, but is there another non US aircraft that is cleared to carry things like AMRAAM?.....
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By: Y-20 Bacon
- 11th January 2018 at 08:12Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
^ I thought the Typhoon could shoot off the AMRAAM no?
By: mrmalaya
- 11th January 2018 at 10:51Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
oh but that is not Europe's best Eurocanard so what chance can it have? ;)
The most likely outcome is that the Canadians will waste another several years repeating what they did over the past decade and end up with the F35.
I can't get excited by this competition, because as much as Typhoon is all over the interceptor mission (it does the same thing for the RAF), and the bombing mission (it does the same thing for the RAF), logic does not apply here.
By: mrmalaya
- 12th January 2018 at 14:00Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
A question:
Has the Rafale always made extensive use of sawtooth edges on its underside or are they being applied as RAM/LO applications are developed?
Having seen a picture of the light catching the underside of this year's solo display airframe, the sawtoothin' can be seen at various points along the length of the fuselage rather than on the control surface/trailing edges (which was my understanding of it's use).
just about possible to see here:
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By: Y-20 Bacon
- 12th January 2018 at 14:08Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
By: mrmalaya
- 12th January 2018 at 14:15Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
yes, it's all about how the light falls on the picture. Any idea how old that image is?
Are there any other aircraft that try and overcome the lack of structure LO shaping with this specific approach? For the Rafale gang, I would appreciate a technical reply and I'm not saying Rafale has no RCS reduction in it's structure, but this sawtoothing is an application to the aircraft surface right?
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By: Y-20 Bacon
- 12th January 2018 at 14:30Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I found it on wikipedia. it says Rafale B, 2011
how about the one you posted?
By: halloweene
- 12th January 2018 at 15:37Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
You will see sawtooth on every panel ending at 90°. So as to avoid antenna effect. And it is not radar absorbing paint. The radar aborbing part is inside the coating.
By: Kovy
- 23rd January 2018 at 00:21Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Probably. There was an issue on one of the planes (a "Fenwick" broke if i remember well). So i guess it is this one.
No, The M41 Which had to be rebuilt after the crane inident was delivered in march 2016 to the navy. It was onboard the Charles de Gaulle during Arromanches III (Irak / Syria)
AFAIK, The last Rafale M F1 to be delivered at the F3 standard in 2018 is the M1.
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By: FBW - 10th January 2018 at 15:37 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Not manned combat aircraft, Canadian/UK aircraft industries were linked. Canada bought/or licensed produced many US aircraft as well.
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By: a89 - 10th January 2018 at 15:37 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I thought it already had this system for nuclear delivery. Can anyone clarify?
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By: halloweene - 10th January 2018 at 18:15 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
No it has a twin follow ground system using both numeric maps and SAR radar, but not agcas yet.
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By: TooCool_12f - 10th January 2018 at 19:00 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
We agree, as I said, physically, it can carry it (hook it on rails/pylons).. but to integrate it electronically (use it), it's another story and would need US approval/cooperation to do so ;)
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By: mrmalaya - 11th January 2018 at 07:43 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
So Rafale is unlikely to win the competition then.
Is there another aircraft that could be compatible? I mean this discussion is very circular and it's all been said before, but is there another non US aircraft that is cleared to carry things like AMRAAM?.....
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By: Y-20 Bacon - 11th January 2018 at 08:12 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
^ I thought the Typhoon could shoot off the AMRAAM no?
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By: mrmalaya - 11th January 2018 at 10:51 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
oh but that is not Europe's best Eurocanard so what chance can it have? ;)
The most likely outcome is that the Canadians will waste another several years repeating what they did over the past decade and end up with the F35.
I can't get excited by this competition, because as much as Typhoon is all over the interceptor mission (it does the same thing for the RAF), and the bombing mission (it does the same thing for the RAF), logic does not apply here.
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By: mrmalaya - 12th January 2018 at 14:00 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
A question:
Has the Rafale always made extensive use of sawtooth edges on its underside or are they being applied as RAM/LO applications are developed?
Having seen a picture of the light catching the underside of this year's solo display airframe, the sawtoothin' can be seen at various points along the length of the fuselage rather than on the control surface/trailing edges (which was my understanding of it's use).
just about possible to see here:
[ATTACH=CONFIG]258287[/ATTACH]
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By: Y-20 Bacon - 12th January 2018 at 14:08 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
hello mr Malaysian
I can see the saw tooth here on this black one. just got to zoom in a little bit
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Dassault_Rafale_B_2_%285969497698%29.jpg
now if anyone can post some pictures of it from other angles Id be very happy
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By: mrmalaya - 12th January 2018 at 14:15 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
yes, it's all about how the light falls on the picture. Any idea how old that image is?
Are there any other aircraft that try and overcome the lack of structure LO shaping with this specific approach? For the Rafale gang, I would appreciate a technical reply and I'm not saying Rafale has no RCS reduction in it's structure, but this sawtoothing is an application to the aircraft surface right?
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By: Y-20 Bacon - 12th January 2018 at 14:30 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I found it on wikipedia. it says Rafale B, 2011
how about the one you posted?
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By: mrmalaya - 12th January 2018 at 14:36 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
This year's solo display as far as I can tell.
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By: halloweene - 12th January 2018 at 15:37 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
You will see sawtooth on every panel ending at 90°. So as to avoid antenna effect. And it is not radar absorbing paint. The radar aborbing part is inside the coating.
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By: mrmalaya - 12th January 2018 at 15:50 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Great stuff thanks.
Has that always been there or was it gradually added on?
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By: halloweene - 12th January 2018 at 16:26 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Always been. And perishable. (see the small cracks)
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By: TomcatViP - 21st January 2018 at 16:10 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Last modernized Rafale F1 (Fr Navy) to be delivered soon (or was it the one mentioned by Trappier for 2017?).
Source:
Mert & Marine.com
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By: halloweene - 21st January 2018 at 19:51 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Probably. There was an issue on one of the planes (a "Fenwick" broke if i remember well). So i guess it is this one.
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By: Kovy - 23rd January 2018 at 00:21 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
No, The M41 Which had to be rebuilt after the crane inident was delivered in march 2016 to the navy. It was onboard the Charles de Gaulle during Arromanches III (Irak / Syria)
AFAIK, The last Rafale M F1 to be delivered at the F3 standard in 2018 is the M1.
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By: halloweene - 23rd January 2018 at 15:36 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Ok. Ty.
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By: TomcatViP - 23rd January 2018 at 19:31 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
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