it's crazy that nobody explained to the so-called journalist that such a number has zero meaning... 4.15M for what use? how many hours? if it flew 10 hours on average, the cost is huge.. if it flew 1000 hours for that much, its a bargain... how many hours have all the Rafales flown in 2018?
By: Kovy
- 10th July 2019 at 23:03Permalink- Edited 10th July 2019 at 23:04
it's crazy that nobody explained to the so-called journalist that such a number has zero meaning... 4.15M for what use? how many hours? if it flew 10 hours on average, the cost is huge.. if it flew 1000 hours for that much, its a bargain... how many hours have all the Rafales flown in 2018?
In 2016 it was reported by the French air Force that a Rafale was flying (in average) 275 hours/year
That would mean that the cost of each flight hour is about 15,000 Euros€€€, which is consistent with what we usually read.
You also have to consider what is included as it can be as little as "just gas" to every item from gas, parts, pilot's wages, his lodging, future upgrades, etc.
By: TooCool_12f
- 10th July 2019 at 23:21Permalink
In 2016 it was reported by the French air Force that a Rafale was flying (in average) 275 hours/year
That would mean that the cost of each flight hour is about 15,000 Euros€€€, which is consistent with what we usually read.
275 hours per plane in 2016, but the cost we see here is in 2018... we can imagine that the number of flying hours is similar, but it is said nowhere
By: Kovy
- 11th July 2019 at 00:31Permalink- Edited 11th July 2019 at 01:15
275 hours per plane in 2016, but the cost we see here is in 2018... we can imagine that the number of flying hours is similar, but it is said nowhere
Well acccording to the same source, it was 250 hrs in 2015
The MCO cost for 2015 was 343.9 millions for 97 Rafale B/C
That would be 14,200 Euros per flight hour.
Keeping the same 250 hrs base for 2014 and 2013, I find about 10,000 Euros per flight hours.
This 40% increase after 2014 would make sense as it coincides with the begining of Chammal operation in Irak (starting Septembre 2014)
By: TomcatViP
- 11th July 2019 at 19:24Permalink- Edited 11th July 2019 at 22:14
The problem that I see is that the 275hr are averaged among the rate of available airframe. Let's say that 50% are available (what is somewhat what it is for real), each of those 275hr are spread among 2 Rafale. Hence you have to multiply 137.5hr per 97 airframe and use that to divide the MCO budget.
I am really sorry, but It should be something around 30k€....
But how you my dear, would know what I am taking that I don't know? :confused:
I'm not the matter at stake here. Considering that an average 50% availability ratio on a daily basis means that half of the entire fleet stay on the ground for a whole year is no more than a cleverly biased interpretation, carefully crafted to fuel you never-ending french bashing rhetoric. In short, you're more a nuisance than an added value.
By: TomcatViP
- 12th July 2019 at 18:41Permalink- Edited 12th July 2019 at 18:42
You should get a shrink presto amigo to adore my rear end with such fury. Leave that hatreds rhetoric at home, will you or leave this forum where ppl abide to have gentle conversation respectuous of their opinion.
50% availability is by the way more that some years published number by the French parliament. But let me guess there are no more French valuable like you there...
You also have to consider what is included as it can be as little as "just gas" to every item from gas, parts, pilot's wages, his lodging, future upgrades, etc.
By: TomcatViP
- 25th July 2019 at 23:16Permalink- Edited 25th July 2019 at 23:17
Following the recent deployment of a German Air Force A400M in Jordan configured for the first time as a Tanker, Rafale also based in Jordan got refueled from it (link in Fr):
By: BlackArcher
- 30th July 2019 at 19:26Permalink- Edited 30th July 2019 at 19:29
RB001- the first IAF Rafale twin seater. Apparently 800 flights are contracted for till January 2021 to support pilot and technician training. My guess is that it also supports testing of the India-Specific Enhancements that were paid for separately as part of the 36 Rafale contract.
By: TomcatViP
- 30th July 2019 at 20:00Permalink- Edited 30th July 2019 at 20:00
I doubt that RB001 will have to be involved in any test flight. The training schedule already involves two flight on average per day. Not much time left to even download any "data".
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By: halloweene - 3rd July 2019 at 10:44 Permalink - Edited 3rd July 2019 at 10:49
Cost of Rafale maintenance (all versions mixed) : 4.15 M€ / plane /year
https://www.capital.fr/economie-poli...le-1343688?amp
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By: TooCool_12f - 9th July 2019 at 18:53 Permalink
it's crazy that nobody explained to the so-called journalist that such a number has zero meaning... 4.15M for what use? how many hours? if it flew 10 hours on average, the cost is huge.. if it flew 1000 hours for that much, its a bargain... how many hours have all the Rafales flown in 2018?
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By: Kovy - 10th July 2019 at 23:03 Permalink - Edited 10th July 2019 at 23:04
In 2016 it was reported by the French air Force that a Rafale was flying (in average) 275 hours/year
That would mean that the cost of each flight hour is about 15,000 Euros€€€, which is consistent with what we usually read.
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By: SpudmanWP - 10th July 2019 at 23:17 Permalink
You also have to consider what is included as it can be as little as "just gas" to every item from gas, parts, pilot's wages, his lodging, future upgrades, etc.
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By: TooCool_12f - 10th July 2019 at 23:21 Permalink
275 hours per plane in 2016, but the cost we see here is in 2018... we can imagine that the number of flying hours is similar, but it is said nowhere
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By: Kovy - 11th July 2019 at 00:31 Permalink - Edited 11th July 2019 at 01:15
Well acccording to the same source, it was 250 hrs in 2015
The MCO cost for 2015 was 343.9 millions for 97 Rafale B/C
That would be 14,200 Euros per flight hour.
Keeping the same 250 hrs base for 2014 and 2013, I find about 10,000 Euros per flight hours.
This 40% increase after 2014 would make sense as it coincides with the begining of Chammal operation in Irak (starting Septembre 2014)
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By: TomcatViP - 11th July 2019 at 19:24 Permalink - Edited 11th July 2019 at 22:14
The problem that I see is that the 275hr are averaged among the rate of available airframe. Let's say that 50% are available (what is somewhat what it is for real), each of those 275hr are spread among 2 Rafale. Hence you have to multiply 137.5hr per 97 airframe and use that to divide the MCO budget.
I am really sorry, but It should be something around 30k€....
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By: OPIT - 11th July 2019 at 22:37 Permalink
The problem is you don't know what you're talking about, as usual.
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By: TomcatViP - 11th July 2019 at 22:45 Permalink
But how you my dear, would know what I am taking that I don't know? :confused:
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By: TooCool_12f - 11th July 2019 at 22:47 Permalink
the average is not spread among the "50% available", it is the average for the entire fleet...
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By: OPIT - 12th July 2019 at 09:57 Permalink
I'm not the matter at stake here. Considering that an average 50% availability ratio on a daily basis means that half of the entire fleet stay on the ground for a whole year is no more than a cleverly biased interpretation, carefully crafted to fuel you never-ending french bashing rhetoric. In short, you're more a nuisance than an added value.
Now I'm done with you, 'til next time. Bye.
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By: TomcatViP - 12th July 2019 at 18:41 Permalink - Edited 12th July 2019 at 18:42
You should get a shrink presto amigo to adore my rear end with such fury. Leave that hatreds rhetoric at home, will you or leave this forum where ppl abide to have gentle conversation respectuous of their opinion.
50% availability is by the way more that some years published number by the French parliament. But let me guess there are no more French valuable like you there...
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By: RALL - 12th July 2019 at 23:50 Permalink - Edited 12th July 2019 at 23:50
Si l'on ajoute tous les coûts de fonctionnement ( solde des pilotes...), l'heure de vol d'un Rafale serait de 27.000 euros, selon la loi de finances 2013.
https://bfmbusiness.bfmtv.com/france...ol-837733.html
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By: TooCool_12f - 14th July 2019 at 07:44 Permalink
oui, enfin, c'était ce qui était prévu en 2014
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By: TomcatViP - 14th July 2019 at 17:44 Permalink
Hey guys, Angel strikes out again:
Happy commemoration day to all :back there !
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By: halloweene - 21st July 2019 at 09:08 Permalink
i'm aware of that spud, but we have to do with available numbers (and ways to compute them).
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By: TomcatViP - 25th July 2019 at 23:16 Permalink - Edited 25th July 2019 at 23:17
Following the recent deployment of a German Air Force A400M in Jordan configured for the first time as a Tanker, Rafale also based in Jordan got refueled from it (link in Fr):
https://www.capital.fr/economie-poli...lemand-1345558
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By: BlackArcher - 30th July 2019 at 19:26 Permalink - Edited 30th July 2019 at 19:29
RB001- the first IAF Rafale twin seater. Apparently 800 flights are contracted for till January 2021 to support pilot and technician training. My guess is that it also supports testing of the India-Specific Enhancements that were paid for separately as part of the 36 Rafale contract.
First Indian Rafale at Merignac
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By: BlackArcher - 30th July 2019 at 19:51 Permalink
Soon to be a familiar sight over India..freaking potent combo !
Su-30MKI with Rafale jets during Exercise Varuna 2019.
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By: TomcatViP - 30th July 2019 at 20:00 Permalink - Edited 30th July 2019 at 20:00
I doubt that RB001 will have to be involved in any test flight. The training schedule already involves two flight on average per day. Not much time left to even download any "data".