PS they also have a satcom, what about F-35, they need a pod?
FYI, Every F-35 has a UHF satcom from ball aerospace. The deferment for compatibility was due to DoD switching satellite networks, apparently that constellation was not ready when planning what capabilities the F-35 would have at IOC and got bumped to block 4 as Spud said.
It's not like Rafales are going to be needed for any real combat role anyway when there's F-35s in theatre, not for the first week or so. Rafales can play once the far more capable aircraft which aren't already obsolete kick the door down for them.
obviously french air force does not agree with you, but, hey, what would they know, eh?
obviously french air force does not agree with you, but, hey, what would they know, eh?
Don't worry, he know better then anyone else. ust remind me who started odissey dawn before tomahawk salvos (AND those salvos were not avertedt allies?)
By: halloweene
- 1st June 2019 at 19:53Permalink- Edited 1st June 2019 at 19:59
obviously french air force does not agree with you, but, hey, what would they know, eh?
FYI, Every F-35 has a UHF satcom from ball aerospace. The deferment for compatibility was due to DoD switching satellite networks, apparently that constellation was not ready when planning what capabilities the F-35 would have at IOC and got bumped to block 4 as Spud said.
That is IF you have a "ball aerospace". Maybe you mean a lighter then air airship? The present result is F-35 do not have any satcom. It will come with block4. In itself, it is not redhibitory. No plane is perfect
By: TomcatViP
- 1st June 2019 at 20:28Permalink- Edited 1st June 2019 at 20:32
I think you are mixing the challenges b/w discrete beyond line of sight communication and broadband (encrypted as an option) satcom.
To complete missions in denied airspace, pilots need a way to share information securely, without revealing their location to enemy forces. The F-35 has incorporated Northrop Grumman’s MADL into its missions systems to provide pilots with the ability to connect with other planes and automatically share situational awareness data between fighter aircraft. The MADL is a high-data-rate, directional communications link that allows for the secure transmission of coordinated tactics and engagement for 5th Generation aircraft operating in high-threat environments. The MADL is one of 27 different waveforms in the F-35’s communication, navigation and identification (CNI) suite.
On the same trend, I am not sure that F-35 can interface with Android..
That is IF you have a "ball aerospace". Maybe you mean a lighter then air airship? The present result is F-35 do not have any satcom. It will come with block4. In itself, it is not redhibitory. No plane is perfect
Ball Aerospace is a company which builds stealthy antennas for USAF Gen 5 airplanes. Ball was given the contract for UHF SATCOM antennas which are present on F-35.
By: FBW
- 1st June 2019 at 23:11Permalink- Edited 1st June 2019 at 23:13
That is IF you have a "ball aerospace". Maybe you mean a lighter then air airship? The present result is F-35 do not have any satcom. It will come with block4. In itself, it is not redhibitory. No plane is perfect
Think u missed the point. Ball aerospace is the name of the manufacturer of the satcom node on the F-35. The hardware is present on the aircraft. The issue was a DoD switch to a new constellation of satellites starting around 2009. The protocol was not ready so the use was deferred till block 4. In the hustle and bustle of those years, priority was not satcom. Obviously it’s not been an issue because they’ve not moved up activating the node on the F-35.
in other words, not an F-35 program issue. It was a satellite issue.
By: TomcatViP
- 2nd June 2019 at 13:38Permalink- Edited 2nd June 2019 at 13:47
There is no secured satcom on the Rafale until 2024/2025 with block 4.2. Air International has a series of article on the Rafale F3R* in its June edition coupled with a report on the Gripen E. Quite interesting to read and compare to get a clear picture about who has what or not.
No secured satcom is better than no satcom. They will be ready for finnish and swiss delivery.btwthey take the form of an tilting AESA antenna under the chinee, allowing Rafale to joins Syracuse system whatever its position on the globe or so.
By: eagle1
- 3rd June 2019 at 16:41Permalink- Edited 3rd June 2019 at 16:41
There is no secured satcom on the Rafale until 2024/2025 with block 4.2. Air International has a series of article on the Rafale F3R* in its June edition coupled with a report on the Gripen E. Quite interesting to read and compare to get a clear picture about who has what or not.
*as well as future block 4.1&4.2
Thanx, I'll get one. Interesting to see what are the latest news on the various rafale standards.
Some details about SCAF (in fact future combat system because not only ait). The idea is to create a cloud with infos from every vector (including sergeants on the ground, vehicles etc.) in which each unit can ask for the information they need. The difficulty is in the amount of data to sort and that is where AI is so important. Guess quite similar to some joint US projects. It already exists with new ground vehicles inside "scorpion" project.
Demo commented by pilot. Some intersting data : during first part of the demo (with a lot of fuel), 360° at 450 Kts, 9 to 9.5g. During the second part, squared (???) loop, up to 10.5g. Still the issues typical to Le Bourget, demo space is small due to Paris and CDG airport. https://www.dassault-aviation.tv/the_rafale_s_demonstration-1810-en.html
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By: FBW - 1st June 2019 at 16:50 Permalink
FYI, Every F-35 has a UHF satcom from ball aerospace. The deferment for compatibility was due to DoD switching satellite networks, apparently that constellation was not ready when planning what capabilities the F-35 would have at IOC and got bumped to block 4 as Spud said.
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By: TooCool_12f - 1st June 2019 at 18:30 Permalink
obviously french air force does not agree with you, but, hey, what would they know, eh?
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By: halloweene - 1st June 2019 at 19:50 Permalink
agree.
Don't worry, he know better then anyone else. ust remind me who started odissey dawn before tomahawk salvos (AND those salvos were not avertedt allies?)
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By: halloweene - 1st June 2019 at 19:53 Permalink - Edited 1st June 2019 at 19:59
That is IF you have a "ball aerospace". Maybe you mean a lighter then air airship? The present result is F-35 do not have any satcom. It will come with block4. In itself, it is not redhibitory. No plane is perfect
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By: TomcatViP - 1st June 2019 at 20:28 Permalink - Edited 1st June 2019 at 20:32
I think you are mixing the challenges b/w discrete beyond line of sight communication and broadband (encrypted as an option) satcom.
On the same trend, I am not sure that F-35 can interface with Android..
Source (simply):
https://www.f35.com/about/capabilities/interoperability
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By: djcross - 1st June 2019 at 23:04 Permalink
Ball Aerospace is a company which builds stealthy antennas for USAF Gen 5 airplanes. Ball was given the contract for UHF SATCOM antennas which are present on F-35.
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By: FBW - 1st June 2019 at 23:11 Permalink - Edited 1st June 2019 at 23:13
Think u missed the point. Ball aerospace is the name of the manufacturer of the satcom node on the F-35. The hardware is present on the aircraft. The issue was a DoD switch to a new constellation of satellites starting around 2009. The protocol was not ready so the use was deferred till block 4. In the hustle and bustle of those years, priority was not satcom. Obviously it’s not been an issue because they’ve not moved up activating the node on the F-35.
in other words, not an F-35 program issue. It was a satellite issue.
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By: SpudmanWP - 1st June 2019 at 23:16 Permalink
If it's that important, they could activate it at any time via a C2D2 update, just like they did with AGCAS.
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By: halloweene - 2nd June 2019 at 13:09 Permalink
your opinion...
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By: TomcatViP - 2nd June 2019 at 13:38 Permalink - Edited 2nd June 2019 at 13:47
There is no secured satcom on the Rafale until 2024/2025 with block 4.2. Air International has a series of article on the Rafale F3R* in its June edition coupled with a report on the Gripen E. Quite interesting to read and compare to get a clear picture about who has what or not.
*as well as future block 4.1&4.2
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By: halloweene - 2nd June 2019 at 19:16 Permalink
No secured satcom is better than no satcom. They will be ready for finnish and swiss delivery.btwthey take the form of an tilting AESA antenna under the chinee, allowing Rafale to joins Syracuse system whatever its position on the globe or so.
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By: SpudmanWP - 2nd June 2019 at 21:18 Permalink
Since the F-35 will have SATCOM before the first Swiss F-35 is to be delivered, it's a non-issue.
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By: eagle1 - 3rd June 2019 at 16:41 Permalink - Edited 3rd June 2019 at 16:41
Thanx, I'll get one. Interesting to see what are the latest news on the various rafale standards.
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By: halloweene - 3rd June 2019 at 21:29 Permalink
othing to do with switzerland. Finland? Maybe.
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By: SpudmanWP - 3rd June 2019 at 22:58 Permalink
In either case anyone looking to buy the F-35 now will have SATCOM before it's ever delivered.
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By: djcross - 4th June 2019 at 00:40 Permalink
Do Switzerland or Finland have access to a secure satellite communication system with Ka or W band transponders? If not, then SATCOM doesn't help.
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By: SpudmanWP - 4th June 2019 at 02:13 Permalink
If they buy the F-35 then they will likely have access to the same network as the US since they opened it up to JSF partners in 2015.
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By: halloweene - 4th June 2019 at 12:55 Permalink
Dunno, but ot Syracuse IV yes. Part of the package. You know, all these independence maniacs we are in Europe....
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By: halloweene - 21st June 2019 at 09:22 Permalink
Some details about SCAF (in fact future combat system because not only ait). The idea is to create a cloud with infos from every vector (including sergeants on the ground, vehicles etc.) in which each unit can ask for the information they need. The difficulty is in the amount of data to sort and that is where AI is so important. Guess quite similar to some joint US projects. It already exists with new ground vehicles inside "scorpion" project.
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By: halloweene - 28th June 2019 at 12:25 Permalink
Demo commented by pilot. Some intersting data : during first part of the demo (with a lot of fuel), 360° at 450 Kts, 9 to 9.5g. During the second part, squared (???) loop, up to 10.5g. Still the issues typical to Le Bourget, demo space is small due to Paris and CDG airport.
https://www.dassault-aviation.tv/the_rafale_s_demonstration-1810-en.html