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By: - 23rd July 2004 at 16:56 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
..since the view it as a state that supports terrorism.
Ahh, the same like Iraq?
Representative of the State Department, Richard Boucher, declared, "in case of the confirmation of this information, the U.S. will view it with great alarm."
I have always thought that it's only a short-legged worthless Russian crap.. :)
Not that Sudan had not any better stuff to spend its hard cash for...
By: - 23rd July 2004 at 20:13 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
probably those will come from the stock mikoyan has in its backyard.?
Camaro
By: - 24th July 2004 at 02:15 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
This isn't speculation, there are previous articles indicating the early completion of the delivery as well.
My sources say they were ordered in 2002, but end of 2001 is near enough. And considering the US has just told the Sudanese government to step up military measures to contain the rebel militants, I am surprised they are showing 'alarm' at the introduction of a better aircraft compared to what they have already. Although the ground attack option seems to have been overlooked?
I didn't know the MiG-29S was still marketed. I guess Sudan didn't have a ground attack requirement? (MiG-29SMT).
It was probably all they could afford at the time. Is there, or could there be an upgrade option like that of the Malaysian Mig-29SDs? They can still drop dumb bombs and be fitted with FFAR pods yes? No reason they can't be upgraded to SM standard at least in time I guess, which would give them a PGM ground attack capability. And are these second hand ex-VVS models or new builds?
and also various types of special materials.
I wonder........
By: - 24th July 2004 at 10:14 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
ACIG's Sudan article have been updated with photos of the deliveries taken from Russian TV news. It shows the planes being loaded on a AN-124. Doesn't look new to me.
By: - 24th July 2004 at 12:09 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
We here in Holland see those pictures of wars and hungry refugees... And they buy fancy planes. Strange world.
By: - 25th July 2004 at 07:57 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
ACIG's Sudan article have been updated with photos of the deliveries taken from Russian TV news. It shows the planes being loaded on a AN-124. Doesn't look new to me.
Well, the Sudanese bought their 12 MiG-29s for $120 million so I don't think its new, but maybe some surplus crap recieve refurbishment after been picked out of a junkyard. Besides, a poor country like the Sudan cannot afford brand-new planes.
By: - 25th July 2004 at 07:58 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Oh yes, does anyone have images of Sudanese MiG-23s?
By: - 25th July 2004 at 09:01 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
How exactly can you tell from those poor quality pictures whether the aircraft are new or not? I see no reason to believe that these aircraft are anything other than unpurchased MiG-29S or MiG-29 9.13 aircraft built by Mikoyan for Soviet Air Force order, upgraded to MiG-29SE standard, and sold. Thats for all intents and purposes "new". They're only old if they've been actually used.
By: - 25th July 2004 at 09:09 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
There are a number of unused airframes with zero hours in storage at MiG.
By: - 25th July 2004 at 17:48 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
An "ideal" aircraft to fight rebells in the bushes? Did the Sudanese never heard of Su-25s still available. Macedonia handed its back some time ago.
By: - 25th July 2004 at 20:16 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Yes, the Su-25 would be far more effective against the defenceless tribes in the south. On the otherhand, the Mig would be better against a UN (NATO, EU?) intervention. :eek:
Sauron
By: - 25th July 2004 at 20:35 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I see it the same. But more to deny unwanted flights and create some risk. Russia is a constant member in the security council?!
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By: Vympel - 23rd July 2004 at 16:22
This isn't speculation, there are previous articles indicating the early completion of the delivery as well.
I didn't know the MiG-29S was still marketed. I guess Sudan didn't have a ground attack requirement? (MiG-29SMT).