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By: 7th February 2005 at 21:07 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Isn’t it more likely that Libya will start with restocking spares and perhaps upgrade/overhaul some of the current aircraft already in the inventory?
But I guess both Russia and France might have a chance for future sales though.
Regards
By: 7th February 2005 at 21:14 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Ok so the sanctions are lifted.
But do we seriously need to sell arms to Libya?
regards,
Castor
By: 7th February 2005 at 21:30 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Ok so the sanctions are lifted.
But do we seriously need to sell arms to Libya?regards,
Castor
Money is the magic word!
By: 7th February 2005 at 21:39 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-The French need some export succes of the Rafale. I'm pretty shure they would sell them.
By: 7th February 2005 at 22:01 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-I don´t think Qaddafi will just forget the War in Chad and buy french weapons so soon. Perhaps the lybians will looking for spare parts for its fleet of SA 321 Super Frelon but major weapons form France, no way.
To countries like Lybia, Russia is a much more reliabe source of military hardware. The lybians can get more and better equipment from Russia than France. The MiG-29 is more affordable than Rafales or even M2000, especially if they intend to replace older jet fighter like Fishbeds, Floggers, Foxbats, Fitters and the Mirages. Some Su-30 could be bought to boost the fighter force, more than MiG-29 SMTs.
By: 7th February 2005 at 22:32 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-I hope you dear ladies realize that before you go off spouting your favorite aircraft to them, Libya is infamous for not fully paying off their aircraft :dev2:
By: 8th February 2005 at 01:56 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-and not only that, Libya is famous for not having enough pilots to fly all their Migs. Back during the Cold War, Qaddafi bought more Migs than he could fly, therefore he had spare aircraft instead of pilots. How often does that happen.
And yes the Russians are much more reliable in this case. Libya has the money, they could invest in future in PAK-FAs to replace eveyrthing from all of their Migs in invetory to mirages. A sufficient number could be like less than 40 for Libya.
By: 8th February 2005 at 02:07 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-and not only that, Libya is famous for not having enough pilots to fly all their Migs. Back during the Cold War, Qaddafi bought more Migs than he could fly, therefore he had spare aircraft instead of pilots. How often does that happen.And yes the Russians are much more reliable in this case. Libya has the money, they could invest in future in PAK-FAs to replace eveyrthing from all of their Migs in invetory to mirages. A sufficient number could be like less than 40 for Libya.
My friend, we seem to be in agreement these days. Although I don't know about the PAK-FA, a bit too much.. they're not exactly facing Uncle Sam anymore ;) .. or are they? Me thinks if the Russkis can trust them enough (if I were Antonov or Dassault I'd demand my money) MiG-29s would be a good bet, dare I suggest that they should consider Chinese options too!
By: 8th February 2005 at 03:05 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Mig-29 is getting older. I'd rather invest in a squadron of PAK-FAs 10 yrs from now on than get 50 Mig-29SMTs now.
I really think Libya should invest in SAms, a few S400s along the coast can give Libya some really good Air Defense, and a squadron of PAK-FAs for interception, Anti-Shipping and w/e
By: 8th February 2005 at 08:55 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Weren't there speculations about selling Rafale and Tiger AHs to Algeria two or three years ago?
That runs as security and confidence building measures. And, you can control a potential enemy by selling him the weapons he might - in a quite unlikely case - use against you. And you coud get the Russians out. And keep the Americans out. And of course you can make a little extra dough in the process.
By: 8th February 2005 at 10:03 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Well, the most progressive aircraft in Libyan inventory up-to-date are Mirages F1 and Su-24M. I guess the folks have MUCH to catch up :) A nice piece of dollar cake I do see. :) Voila...
By: 8th February 2005 at 10:40 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-and they laid down their Mirage-III fleet by selling a big stock of engines and spares to pakistan.
By: 8th February 2005 at 10:59 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-To be honest, is there really a need for Libya to invest in Su-30/35 or Eurofighters/Rafael? What is the big threat to them, given that they are not branded as “bad guys” anymore?
Regards
By: 8th February 2005 at 11:07 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-To be honest, is there really a need for Libya to invest in Su-30/35 or Eurofighters/Rafael? What is the big threat to them, given that they are not branded as “bad guys” anymore?
Regards
Errrh, I wonder why Netherlands needs to invest into JSF, then.. I mean, who wants to attack Netherlands? And who would be even able, if they are deep in the EU?
Weapons are not meant for fighting, they are meant to power projection.
By: 8th February 2005 at 11:19 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Libya doesn't need SAMs or Rafales. Libya needs, upgraded Helicopters, Su-25s, long range bombers and Transports to support Gaddafi's favourite dictators in Africa.
By: 8th February 2005 at 11:23 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Why do they need anything? They have plenty of zero-houred MiG-23's still in crates.
By: 8th February 2005 at 11:25 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-and they laid down their Mirage-III fleet by selling a big stock of engines and spares to pakistan.
Not III, but 5.
By: 8th February 2005 at 11:31 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Originally posted by Srbin
and not only that, Libya is famous for not having enough pilots to fly all their Migs. Back during the Cold War, Qaddafi bought more Migs than he could fly, therefore he had spare aircraft instead of pilots. How often does that happen.
Yes...and I think its pretty stupid to buy so many aircraft if your air force don't have enough piots to fly them, if Libya wants to modernise its fighter force then maybe they should thinking of replacing rather then adding.
By: 8th February 2005 at 11:47 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Those large numbers of MiG-23s were at some time to be used as a sort of Southern Front by WarPac airforces against NATO's southern flank in case of WW3. It nicely circumvented the need for the Black Sea Fleet to actually break through the Dardanelles.
And those MiG-23s might have made few hours, they most certainly weren't crated. There is a nice picture showing a Lybian airbase with some 60 Floggers on the flightline, for example. Pretty neat. And considering that about 10 Lybian MiG-23s were seen to be impounded at two maintenance centers in the Ukraine through the 1990s (now thát was exciting, spotting those green flags or balls on those tails/fuselages!), that "still in their crates"-myth seems more like denial to me. Or just blindly swallowing unbases yet official nonsense.
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By: Srbin - 7th February 2005 at 21:01
Rafale, and like the Typhoon are nice planes, but come on Libya can get better. I'd rather get the Su-35/Su-30MKI which is just as capable but at half the cost. Same with Tiger, the Ka-52 and Mi-28N are much cheaper yet just as capable.