By: PhantomII
- 5th January 2006 at 20:36Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Actually are Chilean Panteras even in use anymore? With the F-5 Tigre III upgrade well underway and the recent delivery of F-16's, it seems their time might be up.
I though they had Python and maybe Derby missiles plus DASH helmets, which would make them much better than the Pakistani ROSE aircraft, but maybe they don't have those items.
By: Cessna172RG
- 5th January 2006 at 22:27Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Mirage Panteras
Actually are Chilean Panteras even in use anymore? With the F-5 Tigre III upgrade well underway and the recent delivery of F-16's, it seems their time might be up.
yes, the remainder of Chilean AF Panteras are still on service, but they (and the Mirage 5M Elkans) are going to be replaced by the F-16 MLU recently bought in Netherlands.
I though they had Python and maybe Derby missiles plus DASH helmets, which would make them much better than the Pakistani ROSE aircraft, but maybe they don't have those items.
No, the fleet of F-5E/F Tigre III have that kind of equipment, Mirage Panteras are attack-dedicated aircraft rather than interceptors. The F-5s are expected to be operating here until the next decade.
By: glitter
- 5th January 2006 at 22:37Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Question : Are thoses Mirage 3's, 4's and 5's unstable airframes and do they have FBW systems ? Would have been quite a feat if they had FBW in the 50's and 60's.
The Mirage III NG has FBW, but I'm not sure of the instability.
By: Archibaald
- 8th February 2006 at 18:58Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
About the F2 and F3 : two prototypes were built, only the F2 flew, as a tetbed. How many flights ? when was is abandonned ? Were the F2 and (unfinished F3) prototypes scrapped? Waht about Israel connection for the F2 ?
New
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By: MirageIII
- 9th February 2006 at 10:41Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Does anybody has pictures of the Mirage Milan, the version designed for the Swiss Air Force in the 70's
By: Archibaald
- 5th May 2006 at 18:26Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Found that in PakDef forums...
That was not the only engine planned for
Dassault's third-generation Mirage. A pair of
Turbo Union RB199 reheated turbofans (in
other words, the Panavia Tornado powerplant)
was revealed in 1978 as being intended for the
international collaborative Mirage 3000.
Nothing came of this proposal for an aircraft
that would have pre-empted the Eurofighter,
but more promise was initially shown by anoth-
er twin-engined variant, the Mirage 4000.
By: Shadow1
- 16th May 2006 at 04:46Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
my all time favorite mirage.... :)
The Mirage IV is an incredible machine and I remember seeing one execute a rocket-assisted take-off at Orange-Caritat when I was about twelve or thirteen and I have to say that it was the coolest thing I had ever seen. Incredible noise and incredible performance from such a large aircraft.
For me however, my favorite Dassault product would have to be the Mirage F1, an aircraft my cousin flew for nine years. He never transitioned to the Mirage 2000, pulled out and went on to become a instructor pilot at a small aerodrome in the south of France. It looked incredible both on the ground and in the air and was incredible as a recon machine. Or so my cousin says!
By: Andover115
- 15th April 2021 at 11:39Permalink
Going back to the Mirage 3000 here's a couple of views of what the RB199 powered type may have looked like together with a small snippet taken from an old Air International regarding the use of the SNECMA M69 instead of the RB199.
By: Andover115
- 30th April 2021 at 20:15Permalink
Right, as far as the F2 is concerned I have a GA drawing and a few pics which may have to go over a few posts. First up the GA and a few black and white piccys
By: Andover115
- 30th April 2021 at 20:27Permalink
Next is a couple of colour pics of the F2 with a couple of profiles I found on the net a few years ago, but unfortunately cannot remember the source, but credit to whoever! Also a pic I found of the F2 with the Mirage G, which was actually developed from the F2 using the same front fuselage assembly. Also in answer to one of the previous questions a Mirage F2 is now preserved with DGA Techniques Aeronautiques in Toulouse Balma.
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By: PhantomII - 5th January 2006 at 20:36 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Actually are Chilean Panteras even in use anymore? With the F-5 Tigre III upgrade well underway and the recent delivery of F-16's, it seems their time might be up.
I though they had Python and maybe Derby missiles plus DASH helmets, which would make them much better than the Pakistani ROSE aircraft, but maybe they don't have those items.
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By: lukeylad - 5th January 2006 at 20:47 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
http://media.putfile.com/Seriously-Low-flighing too see the mirage extreme low level
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By: Cessna172RG - 5th January 2006 at 22:27 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Mirage Panteras
yes, the remainder of Chilean AF Panteras are still on service, but they (and the Mirage 5M Elkans) are going to be replaced by the F-16 MLU recently bought in Netherlands.
No, the fleet of F-5E/F Tigre III have that kind of equipment, Mirage Panteras are attack-dedicated aircraft rather than interceptors. The F-5s are expected to be operating here until the next decade.
regards
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By: glitter - 5th January 2006 at 22:37 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The Mirage III NG has FBW, but I'm not sure of the instability.
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By: Stealth Spy - 6th January 2006 at 04:23 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Cool article on the Mirage-2000-5 published in a journal called "InternationalAreospace- India"
Article on IAF Mirage 2000 dropping a Laser Guided bomb on the Pakistani army terrorist base on Tiger Hill in the victorious 1999 Kargil war
Video showing PGM Attack on Enemy Tiger Hill HQ by IAF Mirage-2000H.
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By: Stealth Spy - 6th January 2006 at 04:58 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Just for Fun :)
British Mirage :
Indian Mirage :
American Mirage :
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By: bnaf - 8th January 2006 at 01:53 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Vidéo mirage 4000 at Le Bourget in 1987
http://md3.patricksaviation.com/importer.php?ctype=PA.AV.V&cno=396
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By: Archibaald - 8th February 2006 at 18:58 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
About the F2 and F3 : two prototypes were built, only the F2 flew, as a tetbed. How many flights ? when was is abandonned ? Were the F2 and (unfinished F3) prototypes scrapped? Waht about Israel connection for the F2 ?
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By: MirageIII - 9th February 2006 at 10:41 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Does anybody has pictures of the Mirage Milan, the version designed for the Swiss Air Force in the 70's
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By: Archibaald - 9th February 2006 at 10:52 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The one with folding moustaches, nicknamed "Asterix ?"
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By: dan_pub - 13th February 2006 at 02:07 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Milan, le mirage avec des moustaches
A Milan from Dassault
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By: glitter - 13th February 2006 at 07:26 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
From http://www.dassault-aviation.com/passion/gb/dassault_a_a_z/avions/detail.cfm?id=57
http://tomcat85.free.fr/dassault-milan.php
http://www.geocities.jp/protoplanes/Milan.html
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By: lovemigs - 13th February 2006 at 08:57 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
very nice guys many thanks, - thanks Flogger!
regards.
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By: Archibaald - 5th May 2006 at 18:26 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Found that in PakDef forums...
That was not the only engine planned for
Dassault's third-generation Mirage. A pair of
Turbo Union RB199 reheated turbofans (in
other words, the Panavia Tornado powerplant)
was revealed in 1978 as being intended for the
international collaborative Mirage 3000.
Nothing came of this proposal for an aircraft
that would have pre-empted the Eurofighter,
but more promise was initially shown by anoth-
er twin-engined variant, the Mirage 4000.
A Mirage 3000 with two RB-199 ???!!!!
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By: sea vixen - 6th May 2006 at 13:07 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
my all time favorite mirage.... :)
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By: Shadow1 - 16th May 2006 at 04:46 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The Mirage IV is an incredible machine and I remember seeing one execute a rocket-assisted take-off at Orange-Caritat when I was about twelve or thirteen and I have to say that it was the coolest thing I had ever seen. Incredible noise and incredible performance from such a large aircraft.
For me however, my favorite Dassault product would have to be the Mirage F1, an aircraft my cousin flew for nine years. He never transitioned to the Mirage 2000, pulled out and went on to become a instructor pilot at a small aerodrome in the south of France. It looked incredible both on the ground and in the air and was incredible as a recon machine. Or so my cousin says!
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By: Merlock - 16th May 2006 at 12:06 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Speaking of mirages: How have the Pakistani Mirage IIIs actually been upgraded ?
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Smoke weed every day
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By: Andover115 - 15th April 2021 at 11:39 Permalink
Going back to the Mirage 3000 here's a couple of views of what the RB199 powered type may have looked like together with a small snippet taken from an old Air International regarding the use of the SNECMA M69 instead of the RB199.
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By: Andover115 - 30th April 2021 at 20:15 Permalink
Right, as far as the F2 is concerned I have a GA drawing and a few pics which may have to go over a few posts. First up the GA and a few black and white piccys
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By: Andover115 - 30th April 2021 at 20:27 Permalink
Next is a couple of colour pics of the F2 with a couple of profiles I found on the net a few years ago, but unfortunately cannot remember the source, but credit to whoever! Also a pic I found of the F2 with the Mirage G, which was actually developed from the F2 using the same front fuselage assembly. Also in answer to one of the previous questions a Mirage F2 is now preserved with DGA Techniques Aeronautiques in Toulouse Balma.