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Well: Which constructors are currently developping jet trainers?
The only two new types I know (which actually fly) are the MiG-AT and the Yak-130.
I believe there will be a enormeous market for such planes in the future (replacing the T-38, Alpha Jet, Hawk, L-39, L-59,...) but why aren't there others who are working on a jet trainer? (OK, there is the MAKO concept from DASA, but it isn't very concrete)
Can anyone give some comment on the next questions:
How are the MiG-AT and Yak130 doing right now?
Are there any other types currently developping?
Aren't jettrainers too expensive?

Bredero

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I read in FI that Aeromacci are developing a 'Westernised' version of the Yak 130 with the Allied Signal F-124(?) englines and Western electronics. The Russki version was supposed to be powered by the DV-2 but the program seems to have hit some obstacles. What is interesting is the idea of having an airframe capable of training and light strike. Will this be cheaper in the long run rather than having more than two types of training? Or is it just to make them more attractive for cheap export as light-strike aircraft to get the quids in from skint countries?

The USAF T-38 on the last look was having various upgrades and ServiceLifeExtensionProgram (such as wings etc.). It is no doubt much cheaper to get hold of (there are plenty spare) but will it be cheaper to run? (it still has the old J-58s(?)). The USN now uses the T-45 Goshawk development of the Bae Hawk which is now being(or soon will be) produced with a glass cockpit (T-45C I think).

The only other type that I can think of is the LM(?)/Samsung(? it's gone blank), T-50 Golden Eagle - formerly the KTX-II. How far its got I'm not sure, but it's definately ahead of the MAKO.

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the T-38 uses J85, but to add to samsung's plane, i think its now under something like "Korean Aerospace" company which they combined all the major aerospace companies into one to get this to go through and save some money....so, the final answer is the Korean Golden Eagle has recently been approved...as for other trainers, how about the L-159? i know its based on an older airframe ~10years? but the Chechs are buying themselves...AMX is getting a face lift, are there any new trainer versions?

Aermacchi M-346 !

Please read this article found on Defense Systems Daily
web site last july 25th.

Honeywell to provide engines for Aermacchi trainer

25 July 2000

Honeywell's International Turbine Engine Corporation (ITEC) has been selected to provide its F124-GA-200-124 high-performance turbofan gas turbine propulsion engines for the M-346 advanced trainer aircraft under development by Italian aircraft manufacturer Aermacchi. With a forecast for 600 M-346 next generation advanced trainers to be manufactured over the next 30 years, this could represent more than $2 billion in revenues.

The M-346 is a highly manoeuvrable, twin-engine, transonic, advanced trainer capable of sustained high angle-of-attack operations indicative of the latest generation of front-line fighter aircraft. Aermacchi is optimistic that the M-346 will be the ideal candidate for the future "Eurotrainer" which is expected to enter service within the decade.

The F-124 engines that will power the twin-engine M-346 are lightweight, cost-efficient turbofans designed specifically for today's advanced trainers and light fighters. Each engine provides a nominal rating of 6,300 pounds of thrust, however, growth to 6,800 pounds is currently being considered.

"Honeywell Aerospace is pleased to provide its reliable, proven F124 engine technology for an advanced trainer that will help underwrite the skills of allied pilots for generations," said Bob Johnson, President and Chief Executive Officer of Honeywell Aerospace. "We are delighted to partner with Aermacchi on an aircraft that will be a benchmark for advanced trainers for several decades," he added.

"We had in mind very clear requirements for a next generation trainer to set the standard for military pilot training for decades" said Bruno Cussigh, General Manager, Aermacchi. "After a lengthy and careful selection process, we picked the F124, an excellent engine which fully meets our needs and best matches the airframe," he added.

An F124 engine will also power the new, state-of-the-art Uninhabited Combat Air Vehicle (UCAV) under development by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, the US Air Force and Boeing. Honeywell announced today that the first F-124 has been shipped to Boeing for use on the UCAV advanced technology demonstrator.

With the addition of the M-346 application, the F124 engine and its derivatives could power more than 1,000 military aircraft world-wide.

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RE: Aermacchi M-346 !

The K-8 build jointly has China and Pakistan has made few significant inroads.

Egypt has ordered 80 with licence to assemble, Mynamar has bought 24, Zimbabwa 12, nd has becaome serious contender with UAE, Bangladesh, Iran, and Sri Lanka.

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Bredero
Right on mate, the way of shrinking defence bugets and larger and more complex " fith gen " warplanes leaves the small countries very much out in the cold , if a outstanding trainer/ light fighter was designed the manufactuer would be laughing

RE: Advanced trainers

Bredero
Right on mate, the way of shrinking defence bugets and larger and more complex " fith gen " warplanes leaves the small countries very much out in the cold , if a outstanding trainer/ light fighter was designed the manufactuer would be laughing

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RE: Aermacchi M-346 !

I don't know Pakistan's role in the K-8.True it's a joint P-c program but as I remember,it was never built in pakistan at all.

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RE: Aermacchi M-346 !

25% of K-8's parts are build in Pakistan including vertical stablizers and external drop tanks.

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Advanced trainers

Does anyone know if the S-54/55 from Sukhoi is still in development, or is the project totally abandonned? I heard Sukhoi will modify it for the LFI/LFS project. But is it only a vague idea, or is it a good concept, or concrete plans? I really would like more about this plane, and also about the LFI/LFS. (I've seen the MiGplans for it, and I must say it really looks like a JSF kind of thing, but I don't think they want to hear that... (by the way: can MiG afford another ambitious project? The MiG 1.44 has demanded a lot of money. Is MiG financially healthy enough to support that much project?))

About the Yak-130; which version is the final one? I have seen some pictures with winglets on its wings and one without them, but with little winglets on the top of the intakes.

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the vertical sufaces on the wing has been moved to the root areas..this is to cure spanwise flow problems and provide a suction plate for the vortices from the LERX (kinda like solving F-18's problems!)