By: frankvw
- 13th June 2007 at 22:53Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Considering the conditions of the shot a Nike Ajax could have done it. :rolleyes: Oh, and nobody calls it a "wobbly goblin" except Clancy in a piece of fiction.
By: Robert Hilton
- 13th June 2007 at 23:18Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Where did you hear that? I know it hit Mach 3.29 during a test flight, but I've never heard of it being badly damaged. The first jet was pretty screwed up after the maiden flight, but that's because a lot of the inserts in the chines decided to no longer be a part of the program :D
I read it to be precise. It was the first sustained Mn 3 run made by the A12. The frictional heating was much higher than had been predicted and some wiring had been damaged. Also the a/c had lost most if it's hydraulic oil due to the heat. The pilot later claimed that he had lost so much fluid that if he had continued flying for about 15 seconds more, he would have been walking.
Now that would have been abit of a shock for him.
By: SOC
- 13th June 2007 at 23:28Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I read it to be precise. It was the first sustained Mn 3 run made by the A12. The frictional heating was much higher than had been predicted and some wiring had been damaged. Also the a/c had lost most if it's hydraulic oil due to the heat. The pilot later claimed that he had lost so much fluid that if he had continued flying for about 15 seconds more, he would have been walking.
Now that would have been abit of a shock for him.
OK that I do remember, but that's not the Mach 3.29 flight that occurred later on in the test program that I was referring to. The problems encountered during the first Mach 3 run were overcome early on.
By: glhcarl
- 14th June 2007 at 20:22Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Also the a/c had lost most if it's hydraulic oil due to the heat.
I take it you did not know that the A-12 (also YF-12 and SR-71) hydraulic fluid had to to heated so it will flow. I could see a broken line, happen often, but heat was the hydraulic fluids friend. Even the ground service cart were called "hot carts" because they had a heater system on them.
By: Robert Hilton
- 14th June 2007 at 20:37Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I take it you did not know that the A-12 (also YF-12 and SR-71) hydraulic fluid had to to heated so it will flow. I could see a broken line, happen often, but heat was the hydraulic fluids friend. Even the ground service cart were called "hot carts" because they had a heater system on them.
Yes I do know that, still, too much heat is nobody's friend.
By: J Boyle
- 16th August 2007 at 15:00Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Great news...but...:diablo:
If it's unmanned...who cares?
While I certainly appreciate the engineering and capabilities, but without a pilot a UAV is just a reuseable missile. Not as interesting, fun or "sexy" as a piloted aircraft.
In other words...is it "an aeroplane"?
By: Coach
- 17th August 2007 at 08:42Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Great news...but...:diablo:
If it's unmanned...who cares?
me, e.g
While I certainly appreciate the engineering and capabilities, but without a pilot a UAV is just a reuseable missile. Not as interesting, fun or "sexy" as a piloted aircraft.
In other words...is it "an aeroplane"?
Yes it is! The difference between a missile and an aeroplane is the aeroplane produces aerodynamic lift by means of having wings...
The brain behind the machine does not necessarily have to be inside the machine!
By: Jolanta Nowak
- 17th August 2007 at 21:59Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
me, e.g
Yes it is! The difference between a missile and an aeroplane is the aeroplane produces aerodynamic lift by means of having wings...
The brain behind the machine does not necessarily have to be inside the machine!
'Aeroplane'...?
... hmm.
I say, ol' fruit. Aren't we being just a teeeeensy bit English? Where's that perennial doffing of the cap to the Yanks and their ongoing marmelisation of the language?
'Airplane', if you don't mind... and make sure you know your place in the world.
Of course, I suppose the Yanks themselves are going to have to learn the Mandarin for the word any year now....
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By: frankvw - 13th June 2007 at 22:53 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Or a Nike Hercules, for the matter ;)
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By: SOC - 13th June 2007 at 23:01 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Using a nuclear warhead is cheating! :p
You coming this way for a party, or what? :D
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By: frankvw - 13th June 2007 at 23:07 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
No it's not ! :D As they said, "if it flies, it dies"
Party? I wish! I'll probably stop a little north of you in the fall, though. So who knows? ;)
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By: SOC - 13th June 2007 at 23:15 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
If you do end up around this way, let me know.
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By: Robert Hilton - 13th June 2007 at 23:18 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I read it to be precise. It was the first sustained Mn 3 run made by the A12. The frictional heating was much higher than had been predicted and some wiring had been damaged. Also the a/c had lost most if it's hydraulic oil due to the heat. The pilot later claimed that he had lost so much fluid that if he had continued flying for about 15 seconds more, he would have been walking.
Now that would have been abit of a shock for him.
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By: SOC - 13th June 2007 at 23:28 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
OK that I do remember, but that's not the Mach 3.29 flight that occurred later on in the test program that I was referring to. The problems encountered during the first Mach 3 run were overcome early on.
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By: glhcarl - 14th June 2007 at 20:22 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I take it you did not know that the A-12 (also YF-12 and SR-71) hydraulic fluid had to to heated so it will flow. I could see a broken line, happen often, but heat was the hydraulic fluids friend. Even the ground service cart were called "hot carts" because they had a heater system on them.
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By: Robert Hilton - 14th June 2007 at 20:37 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Yes I do know that, still, too much heat is nobody's friend.
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By: fightingirish - 16th August 2007 at 09:34 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Lockheed Martin "SR-72" aka "HTV-3X" Revealed
Lockheed Martin "SR-72" aka "HTV-3X" Revealed
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By: J Boyle - 16th August 2007 at 15:00 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Great news...but...:diablo:
If it's unmanned...who cares?
While I certainly appreciate the engineering and capabilities, but without a pilot a UAV is just a reuseable missile. Not as interesting, fun or "sexy" as a piloted aircraft.
In other words...is it "an aeroplane"?
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By: Coach - 17th August 2007 at 08:42 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
me, e.g
Yes it is! The difference between a missile and an aeroplane is the aeroplane produces aerodynamic lift by means of having wings...
The brain behind the machine does not necessarily have to be inside the machine!
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By: Jolanta Nowak - 17th August 2007 at 21:59 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
'Aeroplane'...?
... hmm.
I say, ol' fruit. Aren't we being just a teeeeensy bit English? Where's that perennial doffing of the cap to the Yanks and their ongoing marmelisation of the language?
'Airplane', if you don't mind... and make sure you know your place in the world.
Of course, I suppose the Yanks themselves are going to have to learn the Mandarin for the word any year now....
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By: sferrin - 18th August 2007 at 01:05 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
And the Brits will have to learn Arabic. :p