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Rafale cost quoted by AdlA during Mali operations was 14 000 euros. Keep in mind those were during intense, war use

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Rafale cost quoted by AdlA during Mali operations was 14 000 euros. Keep in mind those were during intense, war use

By any chance, do you know how this number was obtained? An absolute number doesn't say anything. During the F-5 Tiger partial replacement project, the Swiss Federal Department of Defence quoted costs ranging from 5000 CHF to 24000 CHF for the Gripen, the former being obtained with a method similar to Jane's (I presume), while the latter included everything such as building amortization.

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i know, and i do not deny them, i simply would like to have raw datas, how they have been collected, computed etc. Professional deformation i guess ;)

Nah guesswork is better. Call it a round $50k and we'll put aside anything spare for a Christmas do.

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Defesanet quotes a 13245 USD cost per hour for Gripen C/D (according to a SAF general). Again, it doese not mean a lot as we do not know how this value is computed.

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It is still of use if it is compared to another fighter in that evaluation

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Hawk vs Gripen
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Took it from @Tempest on another thread

WEAPON SYSTEM: A-10A
DLR 738 683 752 691 692 701 694 693 ALL
FUEL 476 476 476 476 476 476 476 477 ALL
GSD 256 257 252 209 207 209 205 208 ALL
SSD 83 90 90 90 90 90 90 89 ALL
* Subsubtotal *
1553 1506 1570 1466 1465 1476 1465 1467

WEAPON SYSTEM: B-1B
DEPOT/FH 170 170 170 170 170 170 170 170 ALL
DLR 5236 5845 6819 6793 6649 6582 6288 6361 ALL
FUEL 2845 2853 2849 2841 2838 2838 2838 2838 ALL
GSD 791 732 694 673 669 668 660 660 ALL
SSD 645 662 641 642 636 635 606 606 ALL
* Subsubtotal *
9687 10262 11173 11119 10962 10893 10562 10563

* WEAPON SYSTEM: F-15C
DEPOT/FH 167 167 167 167 167 167 167 167 ALL
DLR 2819 2687 2975 2977 2921 2836 2820 2868 ALL
FUEL 1246 1246 1245 1245 1245 1245 1245 1246 ALL
GSD 385 381 375 373 373 373 373 372 ALL
SSD 142 144 143 143 143 143 143 143 ALL
* Subsubtotal *
4759 4625 4905 4905 4849 4764 4748 4796

WEAPON SYSTEM: F-15E
DEPOT/FH 251 251 251 251 251 251 251 251 ALL
DLR 1804 2072 2525 2407 2354 2307 2207 2180 ALL
FUEL 1488 1489 1489 1489 1489 1489 1489 1489 ALL
GSD 351 355 355 355 355 355 355 355 ALL
SSD 304 310 284 176 176 176 176 176 ALL
* Subsubtotal *
4198 4477 4904 4678 4625 4578 4478 4451

WEAPON SYSTEM: F-16C
DEPOT/FH 94 94 94 94 94 94 94 94 ALL
DLR 859 1004 1143 1022 993 970 969 842 ALL
FUEL 700 700 700 700 699 699 699 699 ALL
GSD 211 205 205 204 204 204 204 202 ALL
SSD 99 101 100 99 98 97 97 96 ALL
* Subsubtotal *
1963 2104 2242 2119 2088 2064 2063 1933

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These numbers seem very low for Gripen and F-16. However, my interest is in trainer/LIFT cost per flight hour. While the parameters can be adjusted to create desired results, what is the cost per hour for the Hawk? M-346? Yak-130? TA-50?

All dry with no personnel costs.

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These numbers seem very low for Gripen and F-16. However, my interest is in trainer/LIFT cost per flight hour. While the parameters can be adjusted to create desired results, what is the cost per hour for the Hawk? M-346? Yak-130? TA-50?

All dry with no personnel costs.

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This "study" is riddled with errors and has been completely debunked.

The numbers are in no way apples to apples.

In the Gripen's case they represent fuel only, and cheap fuel at that...

If you want to see a real estimate of a Gripen NG's operating costs see here:

About operational cost of Gripen E, there is an official 2012 estimative from Swiss Defence Department :
Programme d'armement 2012
It is the 1st link (PDF of 52 pages), "Programme d’armement 2012 et loi sur le fonds Gripen"
In page 36 there is a table to operate 22 Gripen E :

So :
- the annual operation cost of each Gripen E would be CHF 4.64 mi (US$ 5.20 mi)/year in total, or CHF 0.955 mi (US$ 1.07 mi)/year in fuel, CHF 2.32 mi (US$ 2.60 mi)/year in maintenance, CHF 1.09 mi (US$ 1.22 mi)/year in personnel;
- using a standard calculation with 200 hours per year to obtain the Cost Per Flying Hour (CPFH), we get CHF 4.77 (US$ 5.35) thousand/hour with fuel, CHF 11.6 (US$ 13.0) thousand/hour with maintenance, CHF 5.45 (US$ 6.11) thousand/hour with personnel, giving a subtotal of CHF 16.4 (US$ 18.3) thousand/hour with fuel+maintenance, or total of CHF 21.8 (US$ 24.4) thousand/hour with fuel+maintenance+personnel.

http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?116825-Saab-Gripen-amp-Gripen-NG-thread-3/page30

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I think we should take into account Interest Cost = Capital cost as also depreciation, for fair comparison with Russian aircraft. Russian aircraft have higher maintenance cost but have lower procurement cost. Rafale, say costs USD 100 million then the Capital cost of USD 5 Million per annum @ 5% per annum and depreciation of 3% per annum means addition of 8 million USD per annum to calculations for computing cost of ownership. Similarly, if we assume Su-30 to cost 50 million USD then it means around 4 million USD per annum in such costs which is saving of 8-4=4 million USD per annum.

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In the document FAB experts estimated that the price per flight hour for the Gripen is in the region of USD4,000. The figure for both the Boeing F/A-18E/F and Rafale models is around USD14,000.

http://www.janes360.com/images/assets/343/34343/20feb4.pdf

Interesting, I wonder what was included in those figures. Also very interesting that the SH and Rafale ended up at roughly the same estimate.

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I could not see the date of that pdf ?

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I could not see the date of that pdf ?

Feb 20 2014 as seen in the URL

20feb4.pdf

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These numbers seem very low for Gripen and F-16. However, my interest is in trainer/LIFT cost per flight hour. While the parameters can be adjusted to create desired results, what is the cost per hour for the Hawk? M-346? Yak-130? TA-50?

All dry with no personnel costs.

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Press Information Bureau
Government of India
Ministry of Defence
05-August-2013 18:47 IST
Mirage Aircraft

4.67% of the annual revenue expenditure is budgeted for spares and maintenance for the Mirage aircraft to maintain their required serviceability.
The prices of spares of Mirage-2000 aircraft are derived from Last Purchase Price / Price Catalogue escalated to current financial year. These prices are negotiated with the vendor every time through Contract Negotiation Committee meetings as per Defence Procurement Manual
The details of expenses during 2012-13 for the upkeep of the Mirage aircraft are as under:
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Additional Agreement No.8 (AA 8), regarding new price escalation formula for supply of Mirage spares from Original EquipmentManufacturer (OEM) is under finalisation.
This information was given by Defence Minister Shri AK Antony in a written reply to Shri Kalikesh N. Singh Deo in Lok Sabha today.

http://pib.nic.in/newsite/PrintRelease.aspx?relid=97687

Average dollar to rupee rate 2012: $1= Rs51
The number of mirage in inventory to calculate operating costs = 49
Estimated flying hours ~ 200+
-> R&M budget of Mirage-2000 per plane per year ~ $1.94 million

Ministry of Defence
09-December, 2014 13:16 IST
Crash Of Sukhoi Aircraft

Su-30 aircraft of the Indian Air Force had recently met with an accident near Sheyur village located near Pune. A Court of Inquiry has been ordered to ascertain the cause of accident and loss to service property. The maintenance work on SU-30 aircraft is carried out in accordance with procedures specified in the Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) Maintenance Manuals and Servicing Schedules for the aircraft.

The details of amount spent on the repair and maintenance task of the Sukhoi aircraft during the last three years is as under:

Year Repairs and maintenance cost

2011-12 Rs. 551.35 crore

2012-13 Rs. 877.84 crore

2013-14 Rs. 834.76 crore

This information was given by Defence Minister Shri Manohar Parrikar in a written reply to Shri Ishwarlal Shankarlal Jain in Rajya Sabha today.

HH/RAJ

(Release ID :112870)
http://pib.nic.in/newsite/PrintRelease.aspx?relid=112870

Comparing the maintenance expenditure on Su-30Mki and Mirage-2000, a much larger Su-30 seems fairly economical to maintain (given that they are four times as many of them as M2K).

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Comparing the maintenance expenditure on Su-30Mki and Mirage-2000, a much larger Su-30 seems fairly economical to maintain (given that they are four times as many of them as M2K).

Simplistic , you must also know the actual number of flight hour and the availability rate of each type

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Simplistic , you must also know the actual number of flight hour and the availability rate of each type

Mirages fly ~200 hours annually, Su-30 even more. One report from earlier this year claimed that Mirage-2000 and MiG-29 availability rates were around 75% while that of Su-30 were 50%. The former two already had overhaul facilities in India while the local overhaul facility of Su-30 has just gone online this year.

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Year Repairs and maintenance cost

2011-12 Rs. 551.35 crore

2012-13 Rs. 877.84 crore

2013-14 Rs. 834.76 crore

interesting to see the price hike 2012

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Mirages fly ~200 hours annually, Su-30 even more. One report from earlier this year claimed that Mirage-2000 and MiG-29 availability rates were around 75% while that of Su-30 were 50%. The former two already had overhaul facilities in India while the local overhaul facility of Su-30 has just gone online this year.

how much will it cost to reach 75% ? if possible...
http://www.newindianexpress.com/thesundaystandard/The-Rusting-Sukhoi-Dips-India%E2%80%99s-Fighting-Fleet/2014/12/14/article2570089.ece

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