By: Blitzo
- 30th June 2017 at 06:49Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
@fedaykin
well, the VSR question is still being debated. There are a number of mysterious antennaes around the bridge superstructure that is prompting speculation, and especially the two solid looking protrusions (one under the on the side of the ship which were first thought to be vents... but on closer inspection have been thought to be antennae for EW purposes or maybe even meter wave radars.
That said, whether a VSR is present on the ship or not would not have really been a radical departure from 052D or not (considering 052D has the UHF yagi type 517B as VSR, so technically the lack of an aft rotating VSR on 055 is a departure from 052D), it's the totality of the ship's new sensors and the way they've been positioned, how they're integrated with combat management, and command/control. And of course the much bigger hull and more VLS.
Going from a 7,000 ton DDG to an almost 13,000 ton DDG is quite a radical departure by any definition imo
By: QuantumFX
- 30th June 2017 at 08:20Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
So the 055 is not as radical a departure from previous designs as some thought it was going to be, for example no 3D L band rotating long range radar. It looks to be in effect a scaled up 052D.
Well the 052C & 052D used that rotating Yagi antenna (VHF?) for long range search (including low RCS targets?). The 055 doesn't seem to have that installed. They might add it later-on or maybe something entirely new.
By: Jinan
- 19th July 2017 at 15:30Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Followed the adventures of Kuznetsov recently? Foir starters, Liaoning, to the best of my knowledge, is not permanently accompanied by a big ocean tug.
By: Blitzo
- 20th July 2017 at 07:29Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
To be fair, the Liaoning has yet to attempt a long distance journey or deployment like what the Kuznetsov has undertaken in the past. The possibility of Liaoning encountering issues on a long deployment similar in nature to what the Kuznetsov has done over the years cannot be ruled out.
By: TR1
- 20th July 2017 at 07:44Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Oh come on Jinan, you of all people know better than that.
The Kuznetsov has not had propulsion issues (past the smog that everyone in the UK cries about) since basically the mid 90s, when it was a minor miracle it floated at all.
Russian navy sends the Chicker, or another suitable tug on any major deployment for support.
By: Rockall
- 4th September 2017 at 11:56Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The 'Fat Ocean Tug' you refer to is there for a number of reasons, one important one being to support the deployed SSN which accompanies the 'Carrier Group. Submarine rescue is an issue which is taken very seriously in the Russian Navy. The reason 'no other navy' does this, is largely geographical. It is not an indication of the fragility of the ships deploying.
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By: Blitzo - 30th June 2017 at 06:49 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
@fedaykin
well, the VSR question is still being debated. There are a number of mysterious antennaes around the bridge superstructure that is prompting speculation, and especially the two solid looking protrusions (one under the on the side of the ship which were first thought to be vents... but on closer inspection have been thought to be antennae for EW purposes or maybe even meter wave radars.
That said, whether a VSR is present on the ship or not would not have really been a radical departure from 052D or not (considering 052D has the UHF yagi type 517B as VSR, so technically the lack of an aft rotating VSR on 055 is a departure from 052D), it's the totality of the ship's new sensors and the way they've been positioned, how they're integrated with combat management, and command/control. And of course the much bigger hull and more VLS.
Going from a 7,000 ton DDG to an almost 13,000 ton DDG is quite a radical departure by any definition imo
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By: QuantumFX - 30th June 2017 at 08:20 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Well the 052C & 052D used that rotating Yagi antenna (VHF?) for long range search (including low RCS targets?). The 055 doesn't seem to have that installed. They might add it later-on or maybe something entirely new.
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By: tonyget - 30th June 2017 at 15:06 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
[ATTACH=CONFIG]254380[/ATTACH]
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By: Blitzo - 1st July 2017 at 00:08 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
@tonyget, that is a CGI, from a few years ago
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By: QuantumFX - 2nd July 2017 at 07:26 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
1: WS-10 powered J-15A catapult test. EMALS or stream?
2: JL-9G and J-15 formation
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By: QuantumFX - 2nd July 2017 at 07:42 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
YJ-18 052D hot launch:
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By: QuantumFX - 7th July 2017 at 13:56 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Carrier training -
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By: QuantumFX - 7th July 2017 at 14:11 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Carrier Liaoning in Hong Kong -
Escorted by DDG 175 (052D), DDG 152 (052C), FFG 538 (054A), Corvettes 596 & 597 (056)
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By: Stonewall - 8th July 2017 at 21:01 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Open to the public
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By: Blitzo - 13th July 2017 at 10:11 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
a neat picture
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By: Jinan - 17th July 2017 at 20:46 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Russians must be jealous a bit....:highly_amused:
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By: QuantumFX - 18th July 2017 at 05:22 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Why?
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By: Jinan - 19th July 2017 at 15:30 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Followed the adventures of Kuznetsov recently? Foir starters, Liaoning, to the best of my knowledge, is not permanently accompanied by a big ocean tug.
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By: Blitzo - 20th July 2017 at 07:29 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
To be fair, the Liaoning has yet to attempt a long distance journey or deployment like what the Kuznetsov has undertaken in the past. The possibility of Liaoning encountering issues on a long deployment similar in nature to what the Kuznetsov has done over the years cannot be ruled out.
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By: TR1 - 20th July 2017 at 07:44 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Oh come on Jinan, you of all people know better than that.
The Kuznetsov has not had propulsion issues (past the smog that everyone in the UK cries about) since basically the mid 90s, when it was a minor miracle it floated at all.
Russian navy sends the Chicker, or another suitable tug on any major deployment for support.
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By: TR1 - 16th August 2017 at 15:39 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
http://dambiev.livejournal.com/947211.html
J-15 had some issues with a bird strike I believe.
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By: Blitzo - 17th August 2017 at 06:07 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Yes, birdstrike in one engine caused fire on one engine after flyover for the PLA parade.
Landed safely, pilot fine.
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By: Blitzo - 1st September 2017 at 23:51 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
first 901 (965, Hulun lake) commissioned, full displacement up to 50,000 tons
hull 2 under fitting out is visible along the pier behind 965.
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By: Jinan - 3rd September 2017 at 18:34 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
@TR1: I know of no other navy that always sends along a fat ocean tug with its naval group.
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By: Rockall - 4th September 2017 at 11:56 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The 'Fat Ocean Tug' you refer to is there for a number of reasons, one important one being to support the deployed SSN which accompanies the 'Carrier Group. Submarine rescue is an issue which is taken very seriously in the Russian Navy. The reason 'no other navy' does this, is largely geographical. It is not an indication of the fragility of the ships deploying.