By: aditya
- 9th July 2014 at 18:21Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Agreed. The glaring deficiency remaining in the IN fleet is ASW....ironically its biggest actual threat. Roving small unit ASW hunter groups would be one approach to redressing this and one that would demand the kinds of hull numbers indicated.
Hi, how is the IN going to employ ASW? For example, will IN be sending out ASW corvettes to the ocean looking for PN subs, or will it primarily use it for defensive patrol against attack on strategic targets? Or maybe an escort in a naval task force?
By: VishnuSom
- 10th July 2014 at 09:53Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
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By: Jinan
- 10th July 2014 at 22:19Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Hi, how is the IN going to employ ASW? For example, will IN be sending out ASW corvettes to the ocean looking for PN subs, or will it primarily use it for defensive patrol against attack on strategic targets? Or maybe an escort in a naval task force?
It will have to protect its key bases, harbors, trade routes. And provide fleet escorts.
By: VishnuSom
- 11th July 2014 at 11:26Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Incredible new images of the Kolkata - first posted by Shiv Aroor on livefist.blogspot.com
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Official Indian Navy literature shared with Livefist today along with these exclusive photographs: Kamorta, the lead ship of the four Project 28 anti-submarine (ASW) corvettes being built by India's state-owned Garden Reach Shipbuilders & Engineers (GRSE), named after the erstwhile Petya Class ship from USSR ex-Kamorta (21 Nov 1968 - 31 Oct 1991), the new Kamorta has been indigenously conceived and designed. With a unique hull-form, stealth features, state-of-the-art weaponry and integrated systems, Kamorta is designed to operate in the multiple threat environment.
The ship’s keel was laid on 20 Nov 2006 and the ship was launched on 19 April 2010. The ship is 110 m long and displaces about 3,400 T. With four diesel engines in CODAD (combined diesel & diesel) propulsion she has a max speed of about 25 knots. She is capable of carrying an integral ASW helicopter. Her manning comprises of 13 officers and 176 sailors. The formidable array of weapons include heavy weight torpedoes, ASW rockets, 76 mm Medium Range gun and two guns as Close-in-Weapon System (CIWS) with dedicated fire control systems, chaff systems and the PDMS which would be installed in due course. Her sensors include the most advanced bow mounted sonar, advanced ESM system and direction finder, an air surveillance radar with capability to detect target exceeding 200 Km and an active towed array system which would be installed in due course.
The ship is being delivered to the Indian Navy on 12 July 2014. Kamorta would be commissioned next month at Visakhapatnam and would form part of the Eastern Fleet under the Eastern Naval Command.
Cost of four of these class of ships is Rs. 7852.39 crore. These ships have been designed the Indian Navy’s in-house Design Organisation i.e. Directorate of Naval Design (DND). Stealth features include X-form Hull for low RCS, Raft Mounted Gear Box for low under water noise and Infra Red Signature Suppression Device for low heat radiations. Usage of DMR 249A steel for construction which has been developed indigenously by Defence Material Research Laboratory and manufactured in-house Steel Authority of India Ltd (SAIL). Use of Carbon Fibre Reinforced Plastic (CFRP) superstructure integrated with the steel hull in the third and fourth ships of the class. First time installation of revolutionary foldable hanger door and Railless Helo Traversing System and Telescopic Boat Davit.
Highlights of the design includes Low Radar Cross Section (RCS) signature through full beam superstructure, inclined ship sides and reduced Infra red (IR) signature by use of “Infrared Suppression System (IRSS) device’ for cooling the engine and diesel alternator exhausts, developed indigenously by Naval Scientific and technical Laboratory (NSTL). It has ‘Combination of Diesel and Diesel (CODAD)’ propulsion system with the two diesel engine along with one gear box on each shaft. The ship is fitted with indigenous state-of-the-art weapons and sensors, including a Medium Range Gun (form M/s Bharat Heavy Electrical Ltd), Torpedo Tube Launchers as well as Rocket Launchers (form M/s Larsen & Tubro), Close-In Weapon System (form M/s Gun and Shell Factory) and Chaff System (from M/s Machine Tool Prototype Factory). Ship is equipped with a Bow mounted Sonar and are capable of deploying a Seaking 42B helicopter, adding considerable punch to the ship’s anti-submarine capability.
Modular Accommodation, Gallery and Vacuum Sanitation System for high standard of Crew Habitability. Total Atmospheric control system for effective heat ventilation and air conditioning. Integrated Platform Management System (IPMS) which include Integrated Bridge System as well as Battle Damage System for effective modern warfare.
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By: Mountain
- 14th July 2014 at 15:34Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
A grounding causing screw damage only (no mention of damage to stern seals, shafts or skegs) coming alongside in bad weather?. That's what this condemnation rests on?. Fantastic piece of insight.
By: Jinan
- 18th July 2014 at 23:51Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I see. Well, it no launchers are mounted (yet), then that is a good use of the space. Perhaps IAI/Barak isn't out of the corruption woods yet. A similar sysem appears missing on P15a Kamorta
By: JangBoGo
- 20th August 2014 at 18:58Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
^ Nice to see a clear shot of INS Arihant....but not at all a surprising hump as we have been used to seeing this kind of hump for the past one decade on the model of Amur 1650. If anyone wants to know how an Amur 1650 will look like in real with those 8 x silos, look at INS Arihant. Its the closest.
INS Kolkata is disappointing as I expected no less than 64 x SAMs. Lets hope atleast the next ship will have a different VLS module. Barak-8 seems like a disaster for the IN ships and its all because of that big mouthed idiot admiral who wanted to pull away everything from Russian 'influence' and embrace his western buddies. There was an option available to fit atleast the initial batches of the new ships with 40 Km VL Shtil-I or 9M96 or the 120Km 9M96E2 and install the later on ships with Barak-8 missiles when it was ready. But maybe he/those involved feared that precious business for his/their buddies would be lost if an initial batch order was given for Shtil-I or 9M96. Instead those involved to further their agenda, directly went in for a co-development for Barak-8 with Israel who have no prior experience with proper SAMs and Naval SAMs by completely side-stepping a co-development/lic manufacturing of 120Km 9M96E2.
INS Kolkata is now the most heavily armed offshore patrol vessel of the Indian Navy and will be protected by other ships with air-cover so that it can unleash its awesome anti-ship firepower. Till the time the ship gets fully battle ready, the crew will get enough time to master their new ship and that is the most positive part!
By: El_Indigo
- 26th August 2014 at 15:41Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
INS Kolkata is disappointing as I expected no less than 64 x SAMs. Lets hope atleast the next ship will have a different VLS module. Barak-8 seems like a disaster for the IN ships and its all because of that big mouthed idiot admiral who wanted to pull away everything from Russian 'influence' and embrace his western buddies. There was an option available to fit atleast the initial batches of the new ships with 40 Km VL Shtil-I or 9M96 or the 120Km 9M96E2 and install the later on ships with Barak-8 missiles when it was ready. But maybe he/those involved feared that precious business for his/their buddies would be lost if an initial batch order was given for Shtil-I or 9M96. Instead those involved to further their agenda, directly went in for a co-development for Barak-8 with Israel who have no prior experience with proper SAMs and Naval SAMs by completely side-stepping a co-development/lic manufacturing of 120Km 9M96E2.
It was indeed a poor choice.
Redut and Redut-K(Krepost)* would have given Indian navy a far superior bite. Granted the 9M100 missile ain't ready yet and Redut-K(Krepost) hasn't been installed on any ship yet.
*In case your wondering whats the difference between Redut and Redut-K. Redut only consists out of 9M100,9M96M and 9M96M2 missiles(or the export versions of them). The Redut-K(Krepost) consists out of 9M100,9M96M/M2's along with 48N6M/DM's and 40N6 missiles.(or the export variants)
You see here the model of the export version of Gorshkov with the Redut-K(Krepost)
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Even the VLS Shtil with the 9M317A missile would have been better alternative.
However VLS Shtil was but a paper project in 2007 and so was the 9M317A missile. (Igor Djadhan mentioned VLS Shtil was only tested in 2009 or 2010 and 9M317A only got serious and consistent funding only really 2 years ago. )
ЗРК "Бук-М3" - дальнейшее развитие комплекса и может быть принят на вооружение в 2009 г. как единый комплекс войсковой ПВО армейского звена. Для эффективного парирования вероятных угроз с воздуха в ближайшие 12-15 лет при его создании используются новые технологии и разработки. Ожидается, что "Бук-М3" будет способен поражать воздушные цели, действующие со скоростью до 3000 м/с на дальностях 2,5-70 км и высотах 0,015-35 км. Зенитный дивизион будет 36 целевых каналов.
The 9M317A missile will see service in 2016 with Buk-M3. And will be incorporated for the navy afterwords.
With co-funding from india this would have been put into service much sooner.
By: Twinblade
- 1st September 2014 at 03:04Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Indian Navy believes Barak-8/LR-SAM is worth the wait. They sent out their requirements to everyone but no comparable system was available for purchase. For them, this is the best that money could buy.
Anyhow, ALTAS towed array sonar (NAGAN follow on project after NAGAN was abandoned) is going into final technical trials in october/november which will be followed by user trials. The production setup is already in place so production will start immediately after acceptance.
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By: aditya - 9th July 2014 at 18:21 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Hi, how is the IN going to employ ASW? For example, will IN be sending out ASW corvettes to the ocean looking for PN subs, or will it primarily use it for defensive patrol against attack on strategic targets? Or maybe an escort in a naval task force?
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By: VishnuSom - 10th July 2014 at 09:53 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
[ATTACH=CONFIG]229979[/ATTACH] First clear image of the first of the Project 15A class DDG, INS Kolkata which has cleared user acceptance trials by the Indian Navy
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By: Jinan - 10th July 2014 at 22:19 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
It will have to protect its key bases, harbors, trade routes. And provide fleet escorts.
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By: VishnuSom - 11th July 2014 at 11:26 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Incredible new images of the Kolkata - first posted by Shiv Aroor on livefist.blogspot.com
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By: VishnuSom - 11th July 2014 at 11:29 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
And heres the video of the Kolkata
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArgcNUD8xLQ
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By: leon - 11th July 2014 at 11:47 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Thank you for the photos! I hope someone will release a 1/700 kit of her!
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By: TR1 - 11th July 2014 at 12:31 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
That is one seriously good looking hull with some hideous masts.
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By: VishnuSom - 11th July 2014 at 13:26 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
And some brand new images of the first of the Project 28 ASW corvettes ... Can't say I like the way she looks !
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Official Indian Navy literature shared with Livefist today along with these exclusive photographs: Kamorta, the lead ship of the four Project 28 anti-submarine (ASW) corvettes being built by India's state-owned Garden Reach Shipbuilders & Engineers (GRSE), named after the erstwhile Petya Class ship from USSR ex-Kamorta (21 Nov 1968 - 31 Oct 1991), the new Kamorta has been indigenously conceived and designed. With a unique hull-form, stealth features, state-of-the-art weaponry and integrated systems, Kamorta is designed to operate in the multiple threat environment.
The ship’s keel was laid on 20 Nov 2006 and the ship was launched on 19 April 2010. The ship is 110 m long and displaces about 3,400 T. With four diesel engines in CODAD (combined diesel & diesel) propulsion she has a max speed of about 25 knots. She is capable of carrying an integral ASW helicopter. Her manning comprises of 13 officers and 176 sailors. The formidable array of weapons include heavy weight torpedoes, ASW rockets, 76 mm Medium Range gun and two guns as Close-in-Weapon System (CIWS) with dedicated fire control systems, chaff systems and the PDMS which would be installed in due course. Her sensors include the most advanced bow mounted sonar, advanced ESM system and direction finder, an air surveillance radar with capability to detect target exceeding 200 Km and an active towed array system which would be installed in due course.
The ship is being delivered to the Indian Navy on 12 July 2014. Kamorta would be commissioned next month at Visakhapatnam and would form part of the Eastern Fleet under the Eastern Naval Command.
Cost of four of these class of ships is Rs. 7852.39 crore. These ships have been designed the Indian Navy’s in-house Design Organisation i.e. Directorate of Naval Design (DND). Stealth features include X-form Hull for low RCS, Raft Mounted Gear Box for low under water noise and Infra Red Signature Suppression Device for low heat radiations. Usage of DMR 249A steel for construction which has been developed indigenously by Defence Material Research Laboratory and manufactured in-house Steel Authority of India Ltd (SAIL). Use of Carbon Fibre Reinforced Plastic (CFRP) superstructure integrated with the steel hull in the third and fourth ships of the class. First time installation of revolutionary foldable hanger door and Railless Helo Traversing System and Telescopic Boat Davit.
Highlights of the design includes Low Radar Cross Section (RCS) signature through full beam superstructure, inclined ship sides and reduced Infra red (IR) signature by use of “Infrared Suppression System (IRSS) device’ for cooling the engine and diesel alternator exhausts, developed indigenously by Naval Scientific and technical Laboratory (NSTL). It has ‘Combination of Diesel and Diesel (CODAD)’ propulsion system with the two diesel engine along with one gear box on each shaft. The ship is fitted with indigenous state-of-the-art weapons and sensors, including a Medium Range Gun (form M/s Bharat Heavy Electrical Ltd), Torpedo Tube Launchers as well as Rocket Launchers (form M/s Larsen & Tubro), Close-In Weapon System (form M/s Gun and Shell Factory) and Chaff System (from M/s Machine Tool Prototype Factory). Ship is equipped with a Bow mounted Sonar and are capable of deploying a Seaking 42B helicopter, adding considerable punch to the ship’s anti-submarine capability.
Modular Accommodation, Gallery and Vacuum Sanitation System for high standard of Crew Habitability. Total Atmospheric control system for effective heat ventilation and air conditioning. Integrated Platform Management System (IPMS) which include Integrated Bridge System as well as Battle Damage System for effective modern warfare.
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By: Mountain - 14th July 2014 at 15:34 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Another warship accident hits the Navy
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Another-warship-accident-hits-the-Navy/articleshow/38329387.cms
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By: Jonesy - 14th July 2014 at 22:54 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
A grounding causing screw damage only (no mention of damage to stern seals, shafts or skegs) coming alongside in bad weather?. That's what this condemnation rests on?. Fantastic piece of insight.
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By: Victor - 15th July 2014 at 04:17 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I am hard pressed to figure out where the Baraks would go.
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By: Jinan - 15th July 2014 at 14:36 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Well, if she was built the way she was modelled, then they are to port and starboard of that particular radar position.
Question is whether the VLUs were actually installed...
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By: Victor - 16th July 2014 at 04:05 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
That was my initial thought until I noticed the life boats parked where I thought the Baraks would be
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By: Jinan - 18th July 2014 at 23:51 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I see. Well, it no launchers are mounted (yet), then that is a good use of the space. Perhaps IAI/Barak isn't out of the corruption woods yet. A similar sysem appears missing on P15a Kamorta
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By: Twinblade - 20th August 2014 at 12:39 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
First decent image of INS Arihant
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By: JangBoGo - 20th August 2014 at 18:58 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
^ Nice to see a clear shot of INS Arihant....but not at all a surprising hump as we have been used to seeing this kind of hump for the past one decade on the model of Amur 1650. If anyone wants to know how an Amur 1650 will look like in real with those 8 x silos, look at INS Arihant. Its the closest.
INS Kolkata is disappointing as I expected no less than 64 x SAMs. Lets hope atleast the next ship will have a different VLS module. Barak-8 seems like a disaster for the IN ships and its all because of that big mouthed idiot admiral who wanted to pull away everything from Russian 'influence' and embrace his western buddies. There was an option available to fit atleast the initial batches of the new ships with 40 Km VL Shtil-I or 9M96 or the 120Km 9M96E2 and install the later on ships with Barak-8 missiles when it was ready. But maybe he/those involved feared that precious business for his/their buddies would be lost if an initial batch order was given for Shtil-I or 9M96. Instead those involved to further their agenda, directly went in for a co-development for Barak-8 with Israel who have no prior experience with proper SAMs and Naval SAMs by completely side-stepping a co-development/lic manufacturing of 120Km 9M96E2.
INS Kolkata is now the most heavily armed offshore patrol vessel of the Indian Navy and will be protected by other ships with air-cover so that it can unleash its awesome anti-ship firepower. Till the time the ship gets fully battle ready, the crew will get enough time to master their new ship and that is the most positive part!
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By: Austin - 20th August 2014 at 19:12 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Fitments Of Project 15A DDG INS Kolkata D-63
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By: BlackArcher - 26th August 2014 at 08:54 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
IN to base MiG-29K fighters at INS Dega on the eastern coast.
link to article
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By: El_Indigo - 26th August 2014 at 15:41 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
It was indeed a poor choice.
Redut and Redut-K(Krepost)* would have given Indian navy a far superior bite. Granted the 9M100 missile ain't ready yet and Redut-K(Krepost) hasn't been installed on any ship yet.
*In case your wondering whats the difference between Redut and Redut-K. Redut only consists out of 9M100,9M96M and 9M96M2 missiles(or the export versions of them). The Redut-K(Krepost) consists out of 9M100,9M96M/M2's along with 48N6M/DM's and 40N6 missiles.(or the export variants)
You see here the model of the export version of Gorshkov with the Redut-K(Krepost)
Edit
Even the VLS Shtil with the 9M317A missile would have been better alternative.
However VLS Shtil was but a paper project in 2007 and so was the 9M317A missile. (Igor Djadhan mentioned VLS Shtil was only tested in 2009 or 2010 and 9M317A only got serious and consistent funding only really 2 years ago. )
Last know specs for the 9M317A missile
http://www.arms-expo.ru/site.xp/055057052124057052049.html
The 9M317A missile will see service in 2016 with Buk-M3. And will be incorporated for the navy afterwords.
With co-funding from india this would have been put into service much sooner.
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By: Twinblade - 1st September 2014 at 03:04 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Indian Navy believes Barak-8/LR-SAM is worth the wait. They sent out their requirements to everyone but no comparable system was available for purchase. For them, this is the best that money could buy.
Anyhow, ALTAS towed array sonar (NAGAN follow on project after NAGAN was abandoned) is going into final technical trials in october/november which will be followed by user trials. The production setup is already in place so production will start immediately after acceptance.