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How Exercises With Japan Will Help India Assess Pakistan's Main Anti-Submarine Aircraft

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Less than two months after India and Japan decided to fundamentally alter the level of bilateral ties, two Japanese P-3C Orion anti-submarine aircraft have landed in Goa for a series of joint exercises with the Indian Navy.

The Indian Navy says the exercises, scheduled to take place over the Arabian Sea between today and Tuesday, will "take bilateral relations to an unprecedented level of strategic and global partnership".

Two Indian Navy Boeing P-8I Long Range Maritime Reconnaissance anti-submarine warfare jets are also participating in the exercises with crews from each country training together on each other's aircraft to evolve concepts for future joint operations.

For India, these exercises are particularly significant since it allows the Navy to "assess the performance of the P-3 aircraft which has been used by the Pakistan Navy for decades as its primary anti-submarine platform". The Pakistani Navy received its first P-3Cs from the United States in 1996. Since then, these aircraft have been significantly upgraded by the US company Lockheed Martin with better sensors and weapons to make them a formidable challenge for Indian Navy warships and submarines operating in the Arabian Sea.

In early September this year, during his last foreign visit as Defence Minister, Arun Jaitley had visited Japan where both countries finalised plans to step up their bilateral military exchanges. While it is unclear at this stage whether the Indian Navy will subsequently deploy its P-8 anti-submarine jets in Japan for similar exercises, both countries share concerns on the growth and expansion of the Chinese Navy.

While India is concerned about the increasing presence of Chinese nuclear submarines in the Indian Ocean, China lays claim to the Senkaku Islands, a group of uninhabited islands currently controlled by Japan in the East China Sea. Over the last few years, the navies of India, Japan and the United States have come together to form what is increasingly being seen as a Naval alliance with a clear focus on the global deployment of the Chinese Navy, which now has a logistics base in Djibouti in the Horn of Africa. All three nations have challenged China's claims to South China Sea, with each side stressing the importance of freedom of navigation in the disputed region. Earlier this year, India, Japan and the United States jointly participated in the Malabar Exercises in the Bay of Bengal, the most complex Naval war games India has ever been involved in. India is also considering the purchase of up to 18 Japanese US-2 amphibious aircraft in a deal which could be worth approximately $1.6 billion.

How exercises with Japan will help India assess Pakistan's main ASW aircraft

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Navy's Women War-Fighters Hunt For Chinese Submarines In Indian Ocean

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Navy's Women War-Fighters Hunt For Chinese Submarines In Indian Ocean
Thirty more women officers are posted on the less capable Russian built Ilyushin Il-38 and the license-manufactured Dornier Do-228.
All India | Written by Vishnu Som | Updated: November 01, 2017 16:54 IST

Indian Navy women combatants now operate as highly skilled system specialists on P-8I anti-sub aircraft.
New Delhi: Breaking through a glass ceiling that has existed since the Indian Navy's founding, 20 women combat aviators are now in the crew of its most sophisticated anti-submarine warfare aircraft, the US-built Poseidon 8-India (P-8I) used to detect Chinese warships and submarines in the Indian Ocean.

Eight P-8Is, which were ordered from the US in a $2.1 billion deal, are based at INS Rajali in Arakonnam near Chennai with four additional jets worth $1 billion on order from Boeing in the US.

Thirty more women officers are posted on the less capable Russian built Ilyushin Il-38 and the license-manufactured Dornier Do-228.

"Mission Assigned, Mission Accomplished is our motto," say their seniors.

Though women were first posted as observers on patrol aircraft in 2009, several officers are now experienced systems specialists, with the senior most woman combat aviator achieving the rank of Commander.

Indian Navy women combatants now operate as highly skilled system specialists on P-8I anti-sub aircraft.
New Delhi: Breaking through a glass ceiling that has existed since the Indian Navy's founding, 20 women combat aviators are now in the crew of its most sophisticated anti-submarine warfare aircraft, the US-built Poseidon 8-India (P-8I) used to detect Chinese warships and submarines in the Indian Ocean.

Eight P-8Is, which were ordered from the US in a $2.1 billion deal, are based at INS Rajali in Arakonnam near Chennai with four additional jets worth $1 billion on order from Boeing in the US.

"Mission Assigned, Mission Accomplished is our motto," say their seniors.

Though women were first posted as observers on patrol aircraft in 2009, several officers are now experienced systems specialists, with the senior most woman combat aviator achieving the rank of Commander.

The women officers on P-8s and Il-38s operate all key sensors, including weapons systems. They will be war-fighters like their male colleagues if their aircraft were to attack enemy submarines or destroy warships using torpedoes or missiles in the event of a conflict.

They would also, like their male colleagues, face the very real danger of being shot down if their aircraft was hit by missiles fired from enemy warships or aircraft.

According to Vice Admiral AK Chawla, the Navy's Chief of Personnel, women officers currently on P8s "have been extremely capable. In fact, in the Services Selection Boards, inevitably the top people are the women officers. We go purely by merit."

Earlier this month, women officers on a Navy P-8 plane played a key role in detecting an empty life-raft off the Philippines after a 57,000 ton vessel, the MV Emerald Star, went missing with 26 Indian sailors on board. Ten crew members remain missing and are presumed dead. The rest were rescued by ships which responded to a distress call.

While emergency situations are uncommon, scouring the Indian Ocean for potentially hostile military vessels is routine for P-8I crew. Women crew spend more than four hours on each mission, monitoring sea-search radars and magnetic anomaly detectors that can track down submarines. Using the data available on their systems, they plot targets for AGM-84L Harpoon Block II missiles that can hit a target out at sea more than 250 km away. Similarly, once detected, an enemy submarine can be taken out with an Mk 54 Lightweight torpedo.

The Navy's P-8Is and their crew are India's most capable first responders to any naval threat and are continuously deployed at a time the Chinese Navy has significantly stepped up its presence in the Indian Ocean. Chinese Navy nuclear attack submarines have been spotted in Karachi in Pakistan and China maintains a Naval logistics hub in Djibouti in the Horn of Africa.

Earlier this year, Admiral Harry Harris Jr., the Commander of the United States Pacific Command, said China was increasingly in a position to sail an aircraft carrier into the Indian Ocean any day it chose to. In the process, "India should be concerned about the increased Chinese influence. If you believe there is only a finite amount of influence in the region, then whatever influence that China has is influence that India doesn't have.''

The Navy is the second service after the Indian Air Force to enlist women officers in a combat role. In 1999, Flight Lieutenant Gunjan Saxena and Flight Lieutenant Srividya Rajan flew their tiny Cheetah helicopters in the Kargil war zone, where they came under fire from Pakistani forces. More recently, the first batch of women fighter pilots of the Indian Air Force completed their training and will now be deployed operationally in a MiG-21 squadron. Though women are not deployed in combat roles in the Army, the first batch of women are being inducted in the military police with Army Chief General Bipin Rawat calling it the start of the process to bring in women to serve in combat. At the moment, women who join the Army work as engineers, doctors, lawyers, teachers or signals officers.

While combat roles for women in the navy is a big step forward for gender parity, the force is still reluctant to have women serve on its warships in significant numbers. The design of warships, sleeping quarters and bathrooms on Navy ships cater only to men though the latest generation of ships, including the indigenous Shivalik class destroyers, do have space to accommodate both sexes.

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IN to buy 9 ATAS active towed array sonar systems for warships

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New Delhi (Sputnik) — India has started the process of equipping its warships with active towed array sonar (ATAS) systems, which are essential for detecting enemy submarines. The Defense Acquisition Council (DAC) under the chairmanship of Defense Minister Nirmala Sitharaman has cleared a proposal for the procurement of nine ATAS systems. Presently, Indian warships are using bow-mounted sonar or hull mounted sonar systems, which are considered less effective.

"The DAC approved a $70 million proposal to procure nine active towed array sonar systems for frontline warships. This will help in submarine detection capabilities," an official who wished to remain anonymous told Sputnik.

The financial approval for the purchase of the ATAS systems comes at a time when most of India's warships, including anti-submarine warfare capable corvettes, frigates and destroyers, lack offensive capabilities in the absence of such sonar systems. The recently commissioned INS Kiltan and two other corvettes — the INS Kamorta that was delivered in July 2014 and the INS Kadmatt that was delivered in November 2015 — do not have their primary weapons and sensors to detect, locate, track and classify all types of sub-surface targets like torpedoes, mines, and submarines.

"The active towed array sonar [system] is vital for the Indian Navy, as most of the warships do not possess capabilities to detect submarines in the Arabian Sea, where the warm, shallow waters confound conventional hull-mounted sonars," a senior navy official told Sputnik.

The ATAS system is towed behind a submarine or ship on a cable that extends deep below the surface and has no trouble in detecting sonar waves, as in the case of conventional sonar systems due to the difference in temperature at the surface and deep below the surface where submarines usually lurk.

As the presence of Chinese submarines in India's backyard will certainly increase in the coming years, it is crucial for the Indian Navy to equip all its warships with effective sonar systems. Most of India's warships are not equipped with the ATAS system, as the country had stalled the import of these devices in the mid-1990s after the state-owned DRDO promised to provide similar systems locally manufactured. However, as the DRDO has failed to develop the system even after 20 years, the Indian government in 2014 decided to take the import route.

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DRDO should have worked on ATAS and used built by us rather than importing , ATAS will be widely used on all Naval Ships from Corvette to Destroyers and on ASW chopper.

This is a Huge Space where DRDO can work on considering it has gained good expertise on Sonar.

Import would mean IN would have lesser intensive to use an indiginous one and they would standardise on which ever model gets selected fleet wide.

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DRDO should have worked on ATAS and used built by us rather than importing , ATAS will be widely used on all Naval Ships from Corvette to Destroyers and on ASW chopper.

This is a Huge Space where DRDO can work on considering it has gained good expertise on Sonar.

Import would mean IN would have lesser intensive to use an indiginous one and they would standardise on which ever model gets selected fleet wide.

I feel dubious about the reliability of sputnik, and I haven't followed the IN's ATAS programme too much... but the article says that DRDO failed to develop and deliver such systems.

In other words, it sounds like DRDO made an attempt, but it wasn't satisfactory?

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According to Atlas Elektronik, which is unlikely to tell lies about such things, it sold 6 ACTAS towed active sonar systems to India in 2014 (contract signed 5th Dec 2014), with delivery beginning in 2016.

There were reports at the time that part of the contract was an agreement for Bharat Electronics to build up to 10 more. What's happened to that?

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Finally after 17 years, a new submarine is commissioned.
Indian Navy's submarine arm came into existence on 08 Dec 1967 when the first INS Kalvari was commissioned at Riga, in the Soviet Union.

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The new INS Kalvari

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Curtain Raiser : Kalvari to be Commissioned Tomorrow at Mumbai

Regarded as a very prestigious acquisition, INS Kalvari is the most potent platform to have been constructed in India. The construction of the Submarine, designated as MDL Yard 11875 commenced with the first cutting of steel at MDL on 14 Dec 2006. The ‘Boot Together’ of the submarine wherein the five separate sections were welded into one was completed on 30 Jul 2014. Interestingly she is the first Indian Naval vessel to be built using this modular approach of construction. She was hauled out on Pontoon from the East Yard Dry Dock of MDL in the presence of the then Defence Minister Shri Manohar Parrikar on 06 Apr 2015. The submarine was ‘launched’ and christened as ‘Kalvari’ on 27 Oct 2015 by Mrs. Ritu Shrawat, wife of then CMD, MDL, R Adm RK Shrawat (Retd.) by striking a coconut on the hull with a Sanskrit invocation from the Atharva Veda to the Goddess Aditi, mother of the Sun God Surya (Aditya). Kalvari first put to sea on 01 May 2016. She has since undergone a comprehensive trial schedule to validate her capability to Float, to Move, and to Fight Towards the last, she has undertaken successful torpedo launch as well as the Navy’s maiden SM 39 Exocet combat missile firing on 02 Mar 2017. The formal delivery of the boat to the Indian Navy is the last milestone before Commissioning. On completion of trials, the boat was delivered to the Indian Navy by MDL on 21 Sep 2017.

Kalvari is a potent Man o’ War capable of undertaking offensive operations spanning across the entire spectrum of Maritime Warfare. She embodies cutting edge technology and compares favourably with the best in the world. She has an overall length of 67.5 metres and a height of about 12.3 metres. The hull form, the fin and the hydroplanes are specifically designed to produce minimum underwater resistance. Her 360 battery cells (each weighing 750 kg) power the extremely silent Permanently Magnetised Propulsion Motor. Her stealth is further enhanced through the mounting of equipment inside the pressure hull on shock absorbing cradles.

The Boat’s undersea warfare capability comprises a cluster of advanced weapons and sensors integrated into the Submarine Tactical Integrated Combat System (SUBTICS). The sonar suite is Low Frequency Analysis and Ranging (LOFAR) capable enabling long rage detection and classification. Post classification, she may choose to engage the enemy by utilising either the sea skimming SM 39 EXOCET missiles (Flying Fish in French) or the heavy weight wire guided Surface and Underwater Target (SUT) torpedoes. Towards self-defence, she is fitted with mobile C303/S anti-torpedo decoys.

The boats attack and search periscopes are equipped with Infrared/ Low Light Level cameras and Laser Range finders. The boat also has her two 1250 kW MAN Diesel Engines for rapidly charging batteries. The submarine boasts of a highly advanced Combat Management System and a sophisticated Integrated Platform Management System.

The Ship’s Crest

The crests of all Indian Naval ships depict three sail ships at the top commemorating India’s rich maritime heritage. This is followed by the Ashoka Chakra flanked by a Horse and a Bull on either side. The circular lower part depicts a ring of lotus buds encircling the unique badge of each ship with her name written in Devnagiri script.

True to tradition Kalvari’s crest is similarly designed. It depicts Kalvari a Tiger Shark in Malayalam, which symbolises agility, strength and predatory prowess. The Tiger Shark (Galeocerdo Cuvier) a species of Requiem Shark found in tropical and temperate waters is a macropredator, capable of attaining a length of over 5 metres. It is a solitary and mostly nocturnal hunter whose skin pattern resembles the tiger’s stripes. It is known for having the widest food spectrum of all sharks, with a range of prey that includes crustaceans, fish, seals, birds, squid, turtles, sea snakes, dolphins, and even other smaller sharks. Noticeably the shark is superimposed over both ocean and sky, alluding to the boat’s capability of engaging both surface and subsurface targets.

The Ship’s Motto

The submarine’s motto “Ever Onward” epitomises the submarine’s zeal and indomitable spirit. The motto has been imbibed by the crew and inspires them to overcome all odds and to never rest on their laurels as well.

The Ship’s Logo

The submarine’s logo, comprising three distinct yet closely interlinked elements, truly represent the crew’s single minded focus on offensive capability. The external ring in grey symbolises the port hole of an enemy warship. A fearsome steel grey tiger shark representing Kalvari herself is depicted surging through the enemy porthole with deadly intent. The sea in the background is aflame subsequent to the attack. The pattern of the waves in black and orange pays tribute to the Tiger Shark’s namesake the Royal Bengal Tiger. The boat’s name and pennant number, S-21, which is her distinct identity amongst other warships is suitably depicted below the motto. The submarine’s logo is proudly displayed on ceremonial occasions.

History of the Submarine Arm

The history of the Indian Navy’s Submarine Arm can be traced to the dedicated efforts of over a decade that commenced soon after India attained her independence. A modest beginning was made when a team of officers were trained at HMS Dolphin, UK in 1962. The Submarine Arm came into being on 08 Dec 1967 when the Tricolour was hoisted on the first INS Kalvari. Thereon the Foxtrots, with their cheerful and determined crews, set the Arm’s proud traditions. Two of these boats participated in the 1971 Indo-Pak war.

The induction of the 877 EKM (Sindhughosh class) and Type 209 (Shishumar class) brought advancements in technology and fire power. The commissioning of the first Indian built (by MDL) submarine INS Shalki on 07 Feb 1992 heralded the country’s indigenous submarine construction capability. Commissioning of the nuclear powered Chakra–I in 1988 and Chakra–II in 2012 leapfrogged the IN into a select group of nuclear submarine operating navies.

Indeed, from modest beginnings the goal of continually strengthening the Submarine Arm has been diligently pursued. This journey of 50 years has been a saga of passion, grit, determination and commitment. Since inception, the Dolphins have established a strong tradition of willingly accepting the challenges of operating in the unforgiving environment that lies beneath providing both the sword and the shield to the nation.

The insignia of the Submarine Arm is the National Emblem flanked by two dolphins. Dolphins, attendants to Poseidon, the Greek God of the sea and patron deity to sailors, are considered as the sailor’s friends. They were also chosen to represent the Submarine Arm because of the characteristic way in which they dive and surface.

The erstwhile INS Kalvari, the first Indian submarine, was commissioned on 08 Dec 1967, under the command of Commander K.S.Subra-Manian at the Soviet seaport of Riga. Since then the day is aptly celebrated as “Submarine Day” by the Indian Navy. Kalvari embarked on her maiden passage from Riga on 18 Apr 1968 and arrived at Vishakhapatnam on 16 Jul 1968 covering a total of 19,000 nautical miles enroute. After almost three decades of service, the sentinel of the deep was decommissioned on 31 May 1996. After decommissioning Kalvari’s fin has been displayed at Beach Road, Visakhapatnam as part of the city’s Maritime Museum. Kalvari’s original bell as well as the Officers’ Commissioning Plaque was gifted to the Commanding Officer of the new Kalvari in 2015 by the then Commander-in- Chief, Eastern Naval Command, Vice Admiral Satish Soni.

This new scorpene class submarine took almost 12 years since the contract was signed back in 2005. The initial target was 2012 but the project finally delivered its first, comparatively small, sub-2,000 ton submarine 5 years late. The 6th unit is suppose to arrive in 2020.

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Few beautiful shots of the sub during the sea trials

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What a piece of engineering from DCNS w.r.t torpedo and missile loading/unloading. :D

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I'm not sure if this is the only way ordnance is loaded into the Scorpenes. Its like removing your car's side fender at petrol station to fill fuel. :o

Compare it to the 877/636 which looks much simpler. Even then lack of SOP caused a submarine going waste along with loss of life.

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Ru-Ukr conflict has taken a toll on project 15B destroyers. Huge delay in delivery of propulsion systems being reported.

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Ru-Ukr conflict has taken a toll on project 15B destroyers. Huge delay in delivery of propulsion systems being reported.

Delay has nothing to do with Ru-Ukr conflict there is general delay from Ukr side on delivery of GT engine and Gear Box etc had happened in past too with P-15/15A class when there was no conflict.

But then this is not limited to P-15B most of indian capital ships made by MDL or CSL has been delayed by many years and ran into cost over runs and reasons are many for that.

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विशेष कार्यक्रम: आईएनएस कलवरी से कलवरी तक

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VKD from 2018 IN calender

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From Indian Navy's sea power demo to the RM

All three P-15A, Kolkata, Kochi & Chennai were involved. You can see them simultaneously firing their rockets in one of the video below.

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Indian Navy's sea power demonstration to Raksha Manthri, videos from onboard VKD

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Ru-Ukr conflict has taken a toll on project 15B destroyers. Huge delay in delivery of propulsion systems being reported.

When it comes to deals/supply from the Russia/CIS, first things to look for is if the payment was done.
India was so much accustomed to easy credits and relaxed payment schedule for the past decades and purchases that this habit haven't changed much in the corridors w.r.t purchases from Russia.

W.r.t Ukraine, things could as well be issues related to other than just financial. In the case of shaft lines and propellers, if I remember correctly, its has to come from the Baltisky Zavod which have no relation to any Ukranian conflict as shaft/propellers are entirely in house products.

Btw, shaft lines are inserted after the powerplant installation. Do we know if the that has been installed?

Arihant supposedly having serious issues:

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Really hard to believe how it ended up in the dock.
Arihant’s propulsion compartment was damaged after water entered it, according to details available with The Hindu. A naval source said water rushed in as a hatch on the rear side was left open by mistake while it was at harbour.

Navy dogfight begins:

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Mig, Gripen are out, according to this report.

So is Tejas mk2...

I guess if the Indian Navy could manage to have some synergies with the IAF, it would give Rafale an advantage...?


A naval Gripen doesn't exist and the MiG-29K/KUB doesn't as of now have a CAT launch aid.
But the entire stuff is not as simple as it sounds. Shall reply some other time.

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DefExpo 2018: Spare parts for Russian planes used by Navy likely to be made in India


CHENNAI: The spare parts for Russian planes used by the Indian Navy and the Indian Air Force and equipment onboard warships may be manufactured small and medium industries in the country as the armed forces are pushing for joint venture or agreement between Indian and Russian companies to make these components in India.

Indian tri-services officials, Indian firms and Russian firms had a few rounds of meetings at the India-Russia Military Industrial Conference at the DefExpo 2018 venue near here on Friday. Around 60 Indian component makers took part in the sessions.

Rear Admiral and Assistant Chief of Naval Staff V M Doss said the move to indigenise production of spare parts for the Russian planes being used by the Navy itself would lead to a saving of 400% to 2,000%. The Navy was looking to indigenise spare parts of MIG 29k planes which were inducted in 2009 and would be in service till 2037 to 2040, he added.The planes are based out of Goa, Visakhapatnam and aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya. They will also be based at IAC 1 aircraft carrier that will be commissioned in the future.


He said that the Navy was looking at long-term supply and maintenance contracts for spare parts.There is also a plan to set up a facility for repair of 500 lines of components like avionics and others for the planes at Navy Aircraft Yard in Goa while engine repair and overhaul facility will be set up at HAL in Koraput.

The Navy is looking to indigenise series of components of fighter jets, including radar, hydraulic system, head up display, cooling turbine or air conditioning, flight data recorder, landing gear and main nose, fire warning system and airframe.Similarly, the Indian Air Force has identified 35 additional line for indigenisation under the ‘Make in India’ programme including spare parts for Mi helicopters.

The Indian Navy has a large number of Russian-made equipment, including hull, electrical systems, weapons and sensors. An official who made a presentation at the meeting said indigenisation was crucial because after sales service suffered from many issues including delays in sourcing spares.

Konstantin Svodin from the department of aviation industry, Russia, said: "We got the list of all platform for which after sales support were needed. Many joint venture agreements were signed during the DefExpo. We propose signing of inter-government agreement to do aftersales support for planes, helicopters, tanks and air defence systems and also provide a separate JV for making spare parts in India.”