By: Twinblade
- 29th December 2012 at 10:52Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
India gets 4 Russian carrier-based fighters
Dec 29, 2012 12:27 Moscow Time
Russia’s Mikoyan warplanes manufacturer has delivered to India the first bulk of its MiG-29K carrier-based fighters, its press office reported Saturday.
The shipment was made under the contract signed by the Russian arms maker with India’s defense ministry in March 2010.
Mikoyan will deliver a total of 29 fighter jets in addition to 16 MiGs that joined the Indian air fleet in 2009-2011.
By: Twinblade
- 1st January 2013 at 14:03Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Hi Twinblade
Are these used for training or Are these in operational service or are just sitting somewhere as hangar queens?
Till now the MiG-29K were joining the squadron INAS 303 'Black Panthers' which had 12K + 4KUB. These 4 (single seater or UB?) will take the numbers to 20. The shore based test facility at INS Hansa, should be operational now, as the arresting gear was cleared OK after tests last month. http://frontierindia.net/arrester-gear-of-shore-based-test-facility-for-naval-lca-passes-test
By: akj
- 3rd January 2013 at 06:15Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
IN got royally shafted in the Gorshkov deal! the planes are there but the ship will come after 2 years from now! There is a gap of 5 years between the planes and the ship from which they are supposed to fly.
By: jackofass
- 5th January 2013 at 16:28Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
MIG-29
IN got royally shafted in the Gorshkov deal! the planes are there but the ship will come after 2 years from now! There is a gap of 5 years between the planes and the ship from which they are supposed to fly.
Royally shafted is a hype.
Planes coming after two years would have cost India even more. This is what exactly happened with Scorpene Submarines....You dont see the silver lining, but you see the glass as half empty as for as the perception goes.
Besides, Gorshkov delay was not engineered, its innocent. The sea trial is based on sequence of tests, and few require rectifications, and consequently more time.
By: swerve
- 6th January 2013 at 10:06Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The delay is innocent? Let me remind you that this is an additional two year delay on a ship that is already four years late. It would be a 50% delay on the original schedule, & turns the 100% extra time into 150% extra time.
And "royally shafted" is hype? Oh no, that's absolutely true. Look at the cost overruns. The refit of the ship is costing three times the original quote. If the Russians really thought it'd cost a third of the eventual price to do the work, then they totally incompetent. If they didn't know, but wanted to get the business & sort out the true cost later (what I suspect), then India really has been royally shafted.
Of course, the IN bent over & lowered its trousers, by not performing thorough inspections or risk analysis, but that doesn't absolve the Russians.
By: Anant
- 7th January 2013 at 02:58Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The delay is innocent? Let me remind you that this is an additional two year delay on a ship that is already four years late. It would be a 50% delay on the original schedule, & turns the 100% extra time into 150% extra time.
And "royally shafted" is hype? Oh no, that's absolutely true. Look at the cost overruns. The refit of the ship is costing three times the original quote. If the Russians really thought it'd cost a third of the eventual price to do the work, then they totally incompetent. If they didn't know, but wanted to get the business & sort out the true cost later (what I suspect), then India really has been royally shafted.
Of course, the IN bent over & lowered its trousers, by not performing thorough inspections or risk analysis, but that doesn't absolve the Russians.
This deal has more than what meets the eye: cough Arihant
By: jackofass
- 12th January 2013 at 09:08Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The delay is innocent? Let me remind you that this is an additional two year delay on a ship that is already four years late. It would be a 50% delay on the original schedule, & turns the 100% extra time into 150% extra time.
And "royally shafted" is hype? Oh no, that's absolutely true. Look at the cost overruns. The refit of the ship is costing three times the original quote. If the Russians really thought it'd cost a third of the eventual price to do the work, then they totally incompetent. If they didn't know, but wanted to get the business & sort out the true cost later (what I suspect), then India really has been royally shafted.
Of course, the IN bent over & lowered its trousers, by not performing thorough inspections or risk analysis, but that doesn't absolve the Russians.
The delay is not engineered to jack up the price many times over.
steam boilers malfunctioned when the aircraft carrier was undergoing sea trials, which necessitated adjustments in the delivery schedule.
Above is a recent malfunction.
Russians are not fooling India. Indian Mariners are on board the Vikramadatya.
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By: Wanshan
- 12th January 2013 at 12:55Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
There was no boiler malfunction. Boiler isolation materials overheated / weren't up up to snuff.
By: swerve
- 12th January 2013 at 15:43Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The delay is not engineered to jack up the price many times over.
Above is a recent malfunction.
Russians are not fooling India. Indian Mariners are on board the Vikramadatya.
This delay may not have been, but the first four years of delays were due entirely to the Russians bidding low to get the contract without having any idea how long it would take or how long it would cost, then jacking up the price when they'd got the IN sucked in - and the IN falling for it, & not bothering with due diligence before signing. :(
By: Twinblade
- 29th January 2013 at 05:25Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Navy plans to issue bid for over 120 multirole choppers
PTI : New Delhi, Mon Jan 28 2013, 20:51 hrs
In could be the world's biggest tender for helicopters, the Indian Navy is planning to issue a bid for procuring more than 120 multirole choppers expected to be worth around Rs 35,000 crore ($6.5 Billion approx).
The navy had recently issued a global request for information in this regard and has plans of acquiring more than 120 Naval Multirole Helicopters (NMRH), navy sources said here.
The navy had recently asked global helicopter vendors to provide details about their choppers in this category and is planning to issue a global request for proposal in this regard in near future, they said.
The navy is planning to procure these new NMRH for carrying out anti-submarine warfare, special forces' operations and anti-submarine and anti-surface warfare.
The companies expected to take part in the tender include all major chopper manufacturers like European Eurocopter and Agusta Westland and American Sikorsky and Lockheed Martin.
"We are planning to offer our EC725 helicopter once the Indian Navy issues a tender for these NMRH," Eurocopter's Vice President for South Asia region Rainner Farid said here.
The Indian Navy is already holding a competition for procuring 16 multirole helicopters in which European NH-90 and American Sikorsky S-70 Bravo are in the race.
The navy at present relies on its fleet of Sea King helicopters which were inducted in two different phases in the 80s.
The navy would require these multirole choppers in view of its expanding fleet size and expansion in its area of responsibility with the government stating that country's strategic interest ranges from the Gulf of Aden to the Malacca Straits.
The current tender for 16 helicopters for the same role has been stuck in litigation for very long and in all probability, might get cancelled as even the extended commercial bids were supposed to expire in January 2013. The new tender suggests that Navy expects it to get cancelled.
By: Twinblade
- 23rd February 2013 at 11:44Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
India Considers Advanced Hawkeye for AEW&C Need
AIN NEWS LIVE FROM AEROINDIA » 2013
by NEELAM MATHEWS
February 5, 2013, 6:15 AM
Northrop Grumman is at the Aero India show highlighting capabilities in intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) including airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) systems and the E-2D Advanced Hawkeye for maritime reconnaissance and unmanned aerial vehicles. “There is a strong interest in the E2-D,” said Tom Trudell, manager, international business development, AEW and BMC2 programs. An E-2D Advanced Hawkeye crew workstation and flyable cockpit simulator are part of the U.S. defense group’s display at the show.
The Indian Navy’s current requirement is for one squadron of four AEW aircraft with two options for two more, as spelt out in a request for information (RFI) issued in May 2010. It is believed the navy will require 12 more AEW aircraft in future.
India is among the first countries for which the Advanced Hawkeye capability has been approved for export by the U.S. government. The RFI states the aircraft should be able to perform ship and land-based operations.
The AN/APY-9 radar, with a two-generation leap in the Indian military’s existing capability, is the backbone of this aircraft and provides greater flexibility and significantly improved detection and tracking over all terrains. India’s requirements might necessitate a wet outer wing panel to give it an 8-hour range. “We are in continuing dialogue with the Indian Navy,” said Trudell. The country’s small requirement, however, is likely to create a challenge to honor offset commitments.
The Indian Navy had wanted to add further capability to the export version. The aircraft could be ready just before the new Indian Aircraft Carrier-2 is ready to enter service—possibly with a catapult—in 2018.
Meanwhile, Northrop Grumman’s MQ8-B FireScout UAV is awaiting for a formal RFI. The company’s airborne surveillance capabilities are being highlighted at Aero India 2013 with the MQ-4C Triton unmanned aircraft and the lighter-than-air long endurance multi-intelligence vehicle (LEMV).
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By: Twinblade - 29th December 2012 at 10:52 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
http://english.ruvr.ru/2012_12_29/India-gets-4-Russian-carrier-based-fighters/
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By: Corrosion - 31st December 2012 at 11:58 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Hi Twinblade
Are these used for training or Are these in operational service or are just sitting somewhere as hangar queens?
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By: Twinblade - 1st January 2013 at 14:03 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Till now the MiG-29K were joining the squadron INAS 303 'Black Panthers' which had 12K + 4KUB. These 4 (single seater or UB?) will take the numbers to 20. The shore based test facility at INS Hansa, should be operational now, as the arresting gear was cleared OK after tests last month.
http://frontierindia.net/arrester-gear-of-shore-based-test-facility-for-naval-lca-passes-test
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By: Corrosion - 1st January 2013 at 16:28 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Thanks for the info.
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By: akj - 3rd January 2013 at 06:15 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
IN got royally shafted in the Gorshkov deal! the planes are there but the ship will come after 2 years from now! There is a gap of 5 years between the planes and the ship from which they are supposed to fly.
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By: jackofass - 5th January 2013 at 16:28 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
MIG-29
Royally shafted is a hype.
Planes coming after two years would have cost India even more. This is what exactly happened with Scorpene Submarines....You dont see the silver lining, but you see the glass as half empty as for as the perception goes.
Besides, Gorshkov delay was not engineered, its innocent. The sea trial is based on sequence of tests, and few require rectifications, and consequently more time.
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By: swerve - 6th January 2013 at 10:06 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The delay is innocent? Let me remind you that this is an additional two year delay on a ship that is already four years late. It would be a 50% delay on the original schedule, & turns the 100% extra time into 150% extra time.
And "royally shafted" is hype? Oh no, that's absolutely true. Look at the cost overruns. The refit of the ship is costing three times the original quote. If the Russians really thought it'd cost a third of the eventual price to do the work, then they totally incompetent. If they didn't know, but wanted to get the business & sort out the true cost later (what I suspect), then India really has been royally shafted.
Of course, the IN bent over & lowered its trousers, by not performing thorough inspections or risk analysis, but that doesn't absolve the Russians.
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By: Anant - 7th January 2013 at 02:58 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
This deal has more than what meets the eye: cough Arihant
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By: CoffeeBean - 7th January 2013 at 14:43 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Thats just pure speculation.
Russians have been helping India with nuke sub tech from much before Gorky deal was first thought of.
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By: snake65 - 9th January 2013 at 09:27 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Exactly. ATV history can be traced back to 1980s. But the 10 year lease of K-152 is a different matter.
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By: mirza2003 - 9th January 2013 at 16:50 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
it is our way of courtesy :diablo:
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By: jackofass - 12th January 2013 at 09:08 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The delay is not engineered to jack up the price many times over.
Above is a recent malfunction.
Russians are not fooling India. Indian Mariners are on board the Vikramadatya.
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By: Wanshan - 12th January 2013 at 12:55 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
There was no boiler malfunction. Boiler isolation materials overheated / weren't up up to snuff.
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By: swerve - 12th January 2013 at 15:43 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
This delay may not have been, but the first four years of delays were due entirely to the Russians bidding low to get the contract without having any idea how long it would take or how long it would cost, then jacking up the price when they'd got the IN sucked in - and the IN falling for it, & not bothering with due diligence before signing. :(
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By: Twinblade - 29th January 2013 at 05:25 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/navy-plans-to-issue-bid-for-over-120-multirole-choppers/1065838/
The current tender for 16 helicopters for the same role has been stuck in litigation for very long and in all probability, might get cancelled as even the extended commercial bids were supposed to expire in January 2013. The new tender suggests that Navy expects it to get cancelled.
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By: Twinblade - 1st February 2013 at 00:22 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
MiG-29 Taking off from the Vikramaditya:)
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By: 19kilo10 - 17th February 2013 at 20:55 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
A neat video of Mig-29KUB. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKm1OEcncek
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By: Twinblade - 23rd February 2013 at 11:44 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/ain-news-live-aeroindia/2013-02-05/india-considers-advanced-hawkeye-aewc-need
By: Anonymous - 26th February 2013 at 06:04 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
How could the IAC-2 be ready by 2018. When it's 2013 and construction hasn't even started.
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By: swerve - 26th February 2013 at 11:24 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Indeed. That's when IAC-1 is likely to be in service.