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^^^ sad state of affairs.

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whats the status of the Pr.11356 & Pr.22350. What are the time period we can expect them to start sea trials?

Also, saw a pic in balancers in pr.885 thread with the casing for Onix launchers. In that it can support 4 launchers per silo. I was of the view that pr.885 have 8 such slios with 3 launchers each for a total of 24 x VL missiles. But if it is 4 missiles per silo, then the missile load will be 32 x Onix/Yakhont/Klub/Brahmos.

Did i miss anything?

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Russia until the end of the year should answer the proposals of Ukraine on the completion of Project 1164 missile cruiser, in the meantime, no agreement on that ship there, told RIA Novosti on Friday, a senior Defense Ministry.

He was commenting on reports by some media that the Russian supposedly can buy in Ukraine Project 1164 missile cruiser (formerly "Ukraine"), a billion rubles (it was originally called the sum of one billion dollars).
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So, it would seem that negotiations are still ongoing. For that price we might even see a deal in the future.

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Interesting pic. Did not know that they can do that in open sea.

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Edit : It is indeed Alrossa at Sevastopol. I hadnt seen the name written unless I saw the larger picture. Any info on how many 877/636 of RuN already upgraded would be helpful.

http://www.balancer.ru/cache/sites/ru/ra/radikal/s020/i718/1309/16/640x/b0f76c065cf7t.jpg

One of the best angle for capturing a 877.... the meaty hull is getting highlighted. A vertical fin is very much missed though. The over 9m hull will neatly hide any Yakhont/Oniks/Brahmos VLS for a clean look.

http://www.balancer.ru/cache/sites/ru/ra/radikal/s59/i164/1307/21/640x/896d0214206at.jpg

Below are some old figures (>7yrs) for the performance (estimate) of the various subs on pure battery and battery + AIP. And you bet, the pr.677 design do retain its predecessors edge when compared to the newer & lighter displaced scorpene & u214. With the new AIP, the ladas will likely be enlarging that performance gap. Then there was the new batteries, incl Li, that was being developed for the past 7-9 years and was mentioned by Igorr in his blog or some other forum.

Just hope China place an order for half a dozen more pr.1650 with AIP. This will allow good financial backing to speed up the new generation AIP for the pr.677. The old Kristal-27E was rated at a very good power output which dwarfs the Siemens AIP on the U-boats. I cant find that chart now, but it was around 4k KW or somewhat in that range for short bursts of top speed. The sustained power output is likely to be a 10th or higher of the max output.

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http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/bmpd/38024980/777907/777907_original.jpg

The little boat with a big punch is at sea, and fully equipped.

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^^^ Really good. The only downside is the rate of construction being very low due lack of proper modular construction. Even the Pr.22350 suffers from the same. I cant believe they are constructing the whole hull, keel up, it in that closed yard.

The earlier the monopoly of building Pr.22350 is broken and a 2nd or 3rd line is opened, the better. Else, it is going to be messy and will only suck the precious funds by one single yard. This same situation is awaiting Indian naval shipbuilding by opening it to private yards who want to take the least risky & high profit margin route by grabbing the captive market for Indian Navy ships.

None of the private yards have ever competed in International competition and have any experience & record for on time or on budget delivery.... but they get into the loop through backdoor politics and and are on the way to grab & leach upon the safe captive market. In contract, the best yard in India (CSL, sometimes called by morons as "Red yard" due to the trade unions) is a professional yard & with proven record in management & delivery. They started off their major naval ship (IAC-I) building activity only out of necessity but not before they sweated it out and proved themselves catering to international orders over past decades. It is this extremely difficult phase that the private yards want to skip & avoid and instead want to rest their ar$e safe on the Indian Navy's orders.

The Indian Govt can avoid this trap by bringing Indian peoples own PSU yard, CSL fully into the loop. But CSL's biggest enemy & backstabbers would be the current PSU yards who would not want to share their orders to a professional PSU yard, there by highlighting their own lack of management & inefficiency. But these guys wouldn't mind sharing "excess orders" with private yards coz it will keep pockets of people concerned always filled.

I think too much of IN stuff in Rus thread.

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Good video of 100mm A-190. The video shows A-190 doing 80 rounds in 67 seconds. The first 60 rounds in 50 sec and then 4 sec halt and then fire the rest 20 in 17 secs.

http://gurkhan.blogspot.in/2013/01/190-01.html

On a related (armour & artillery) note .....the earlier Russians come with good PR material the better for their own industries. Else, every tom, dick & harry will have their own rearend analysis on how crap the Russians are. Already the new Russo-French IFV that is being displayed at RAE 2013 is being taken as the proof that Russian industries & bureaus are inadequate in developing quality stuff. When hearing such expertise, one cant help but think on how low these experts are on their info & intellect.

I'm no fan of the new wheeled IFV with 57mm gun, but it is interesting though not something that is exclusive or non-reproducible. Even the BMP-1 had 57mm and SAA have been using it in their urban clearing ops along side T-72. This new IFV is IVECO order repeating itself where a multinational want to get into the safe & risk free captive Russian military market by holding hands of a Russian company. In this case, it is UVZ, the premier tank manufacturer. All the IFVs (wheeled & tracked) till now have been designed & produced by other production houses like GAZ and this a new rival design is intended by the French to grab some profit by making use of UVZ. Its the French trying to fire off UVZ shoulders.

Maybe French or UVZ will promote it to Indian at a later date

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why is the protective panel over the poliment radar array of such unusual shape? it's so much higher than it is wide, almost as if it's a search radar only, not a targeting radar. also, what is the radar on top of the mast called? and what is its function?

is poliment radar actually a dual band radar? so there are two separate arrays under each of those elongated covers?

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No, there were only two aft panels installed. Plankwood was covering the empty space of the front two arrays.
Poliment is a MFR and the shape is the same as in S-350 Vityaz SAM.
The radar on top of the mast is P-27 Furke-4.

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So, it is reported that in June 2010 requested the President of Ukraine Ministry of Foreign Affairs Ministry of Defence, the Ministry of Industrial Policy of Ukraine, as well as the state of "Ukrspecexport" was ordered to hold talks with Russia to sell the ship. According to the certificate, as of May 2013 Russia had expressed interest in purchasing it. And data from the builder of the ship - GC "Shipyard. 61 Communards", the cost of completion of the cruiser at the beginning of 2013 was estimated at 1.4 billion hryvnia, or 5.6 billion rubles.
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More rumors about ukrainian cruiser. Not really sure what that price is for. It sounds too much for the hull and too little for completed cruiser.

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Recent pics of Sevastopol.

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Nice pic of Marshal Krylov. She looks good.

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Recent pic of Vladivostok.

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More construction pics can be found below.

Shipbuilding complex "Star" (Primorye): progress of construction (November 2013) / New Construction
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Russian navy related news, rumors and links.

Russia and India are considering the possibility of continuing the construction of Project 11356 frigates at "Yantar" (Kaliningrad) for the Indian Navy, told reporters on November 16, Deputy General Director of "Rosoboronexport" Igor Sevastyanov.
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In the course of the upcoming four-day visit Indian Defense Minister AK Anthony in Russia, where he will take part in the ceremony of transfer of an aircraft carrier "Vikramaditya" Nov. 16, will focus on the important issues of military-technical cooperation between the two countries, according to firstpost.com November 14. These issues are the possible lease of the second Russian nuclear submarine
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Missile cruiser "Marshal Ustinov" preparing to upgrade.
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