By: Jonesy
- 9th December 2004 at 21:24Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Doesnt look like anything 'official'. In fact it looks a lot like a couple of folded tarps lashed to the guardrail!.
Could be an improvised antenna for a commercial 'after market' comms fit. I heard a while back that some Russian vessels were using commercial VHF sets to communicate with NATO and other vessels at sea for some reason. I guessed at the time that Soviet warships may not set the standard channel 16 watch prescribed by International Maritime Law but never looked into it much.
Sailors have a habit of improvising systems as and when the idea strikes!. I remember that the crew of HMS Euryalus rigged up a TV aerial in the Ikara tracker so that they could pick up local stations whenever they were sailing close to shore. This guardrail mounted object could be something very similar!.
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By: Severodvinsk
- 9th December 2004 at 21:38Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Could be there to avoid interference with Tombstone? They have a lot of electronic stuff on that funnel...
By: Jonesy
- 9th December 2004 at 23:33Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Could be there to avoid interference with Tombstone? They have a lot of electronic stuff on that funnel...
Yep never could quite get tarps to work properly in a high RF environment!!! :diablo:
Seriously, if they are just tarps, they might be trying out the old 'microwave drying' technique!. This is the act of trying to dry out wet kit by sticking it in close proximity to a high power/high frequency RF source - like a radar!. There was a legendary story, unverified of course, about a WEM(O) who tried to dry out a pair of trainers inside the dome of a Type909 tracker with unfortunate results i.e two neat piles of slightly melted plastic and fabric!. A couple of heavy duty tarps would probably stand the treatment a bit better!.
By: SOC
- 9th December 2004 at 23:46Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
At least it isn't a repeat of the guy who tried to dry off pans by using steam from the reactor in one of the nuclear-powered icebreakers...
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By: Blackcat
- 10th December 2004 at 20:52Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
grrrreat pics Sev!
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By: Severodvinsk
- 11th December 2004 at 13:47Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
thanks.
Also belonging to the units that are "fitted-for-but-not-with" are the modified KrivakI frigates Pylkiy and Legkiy. They are fitted for but not with the Uran system. The racks are on the place where normally the RBU launchers are mounted. But the missiles are somewhere in hangar I suppose...
Something I never quite gotten to understand is their very spread use of certain weapons and ships. Wouldn't it be smarter to get rid of Smetliviy? She's the only one using Uran, together with Tartarstan and also the only one still using SA-N-3 missiles (if she has any). If she doesn't have the SAMs anymore, why keep her? That's 330 persons that work on a totally obsolete and useless ship. Better to get rid of her.
Also the use of certain weapons that is so spread... If Smetliviy is kept, why not place her in the Baltic fleet, same with Tartarstan, then they would at least have four ships that are equiped with Uran, all together, no trouble sending these missiles all over the country. Same with Slava class cruisers. They are the only ships using Bazalt, why not place them all in the Pacific fleet, as a measure to strengthen that fleet in face of China and to keep the weapons together. Same with crews, they could swap crews among the Slava cruisers, having more people that are very specialised in these ships!
Their economics in the Navy really suck. (even more than in my Navy, which sells a frigate for €23million after upgrading it for €35million)
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By: Blackcat
- 11th December 2004 at 19:32Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
They need to manage it a bit more properly, but then it wont be good either if they pull all the heavies out quick of service, else many piles around the areas too wud raise their heads, so have to keep these untill the new small but powerful corvettees (Pocket Destroyers) take on duty in good numbers, and thats what Russia need to concentrate on for keeping off anyone having any dreams on the high seas.
I guess the 4000nm for these corvettees with 12 x Klub or Yakhont SSM is good enough for now untill the pocket gets better to pull out many a dream projects which had to lay low.
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By: dionis - 9th December 2004 at 15:56 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
How does AGM-84 Harpoon compare to the Kh-35?
The Kh-35 has a warhead 2x as small, that's the only thing that sucks.. but.. any advantages over the Harpoon?
Also, can the Sukhoi family carry the SS-N-27 Klub (w/e the aviation designation is)?
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By: SOC - 9th December 2004 at 17:11 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The Su-34 should be integrated with the Klub family.
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By: Severodvinsk - 9th December 2004 at 19:46 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
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By: SOC - 9th December 2004 at 20:46 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I can't see the picture here in the office (the URL is blocked) but when I get home I'll look at it and give you an educated guess.
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By: Jonesy - 9th December 2004 at 21:24 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Doesnt look like anything 'official'. In fact it looks a lot like a couple of folded tarps lashed to the guardrail!.
Could be an improvised antenna for a commercial 'after market' comms fit. I heard a while back that some Russian vessels were using commercial VHF sets to communicate with NATO and other vessels at sea for some reason. I guessed at the time that Soviet warships may not set the standard channel 16 watch prescribed by International Maritime Law but never looked into it much.
Sailors have a habit of improvising systems as and when the idea strikes!. I remember that the crew of HMS Euryalus rigged up a TV aerial in the Ikara tracker so that they could pick up local stations whenever they were sailing close to shore. This guardrail mounted object could be something very similar!.
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By: Severodvinsk - 9th December 2004 at 21:38 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Could be there to avoid interference with Tombstone? They have a lot of electronic stuff on that funnel...
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By: SOC - 9th December 2004 at 22:57 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I agree with Jonesy, it looks like a bunch of tarps hanging there secured in the middle by a piece of rope or something :D
Or do you mean the little turret looking thing mounted on the deck at the bottom left of the TOMB STONE?
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By: Jonesy - 9th December 2004 at 23:33 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Yep never could quite get tarps to work properly in a high RF environment!!! :diablo:
Seriously, if they are just tarps, they might be trying out the old 'microwave drying' technique!. This is the act of trying to dry out wet kit by sticking it in close proximity to a high power/high frequency RF source - like a radar!. There was a legendary story, unverified of course, about a WEM(O) who tried to dry out a pair of trainers inside the dome of a Type909 tracker with unfortunate results i.e two neat piles of slightly melted plastic and fabric!. A couple of heavy duty tarps would probably stand the treatment a bit better!.
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By: SOC - 9th December 2004 at 23:46 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
At least it isn't a repeat of the guy who tried to dry off pans by using steam from the reactor in one of the nuclear-powered icebreakers...
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By: Blackcat - 10th December 2004 at 20:52 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
grrrreat pics Sev!
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By: Severodvinsk - 11th December 2004 at 13:47 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
thanks.
Also belonging to the units that are "fitted-for-but-not-with" are the modified KrivakI frigates Pylkiy and Legkiy. They are fitted for but not with the Uran system. The racks are on the place where normally the RBU launchers are mounted. But the missiles are somewhere in hangar I suppose...
Something I never quite gotten to understand is their very spread use of certain weapons and ships. Wouldn't it be smarter to get rid of Smetliviy? She's the only one using Uran, together with Tartarstan and also the only one still using SA-N-3 missiles (if she has any). If she doesn't have the SAMs anymore, why keep her? That's 330 persons that work on a totally obsolete and useless ship. Better to get rid of her.
Also the use of certain weapons that is so spread... If Smetliviy is kept, why not place her in the Baltic fleet, same with Tartarstan, then they would at least have four ships that are equiped with Uran, all together, no trouble sending these missiles all over the country. Same with Slava class cruisers. They are the only ships using Bazalt, why not place them all in the Pacific fleet, as a measure to strengthen that fleet in face of China and to keep the weapons together. Same with crews, they could swap crews among the Slava cruisers, having more people that are very specialised in these ships!
Their economics in the Navy really suck. (even more than in my Navy, which sells a frigate for €23million after upgrading it for €35million)
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By: Blackcat - 11th December 2004 at 19:32 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
They need to manage it a bit more properly, but then it wont be good either if they pull all the heavies out quick of service, else many piles around the areas too wud raise their heads, so have to keep these untill the new small but powerful corvettees (Pocket Destroyers) take on duty in good numbers, and thats what Russia need to concentrate on for keeping off anyone having any dreams on the high seas.
I guess the 4000nm for these corvettees with 12 x Klub or Yakhont SSM is good enough for now untill the pocket gets better to pull out many a dream projects which had to lay low.
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By: dionis - 14th December 2004 at 19:35 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
What about the Bora Class Corvette and the Scorpion Class Patrol boats?
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By: Severodvinsk - 14th December 2004 at 19:41 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Two Bora class are in service, both with the Black Sea fleet IIRC. Skorpion still has to be built...
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By: F-18 Hamburger - 15th December 2004 at 19:29 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
what an ugly ship (ugly as in Mi-24 kind of good ugly). So does some one actually man those cannon turrets? or is it electronic?