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How much coal is left in Wales? :diablo:[/QUOTE] @4845 mt or 300 years worth:)

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How much coal is left in Wales? :diablo:
Huh, thought they'd forgotten to pace themselves and had dug it all out by now. Back to the nuclear thing, the CVFs have 110MW installed capacity, so 2-3 of these "shed sized" reactors would be necessary based on the particular design output.

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[size=3]Navy's new carriers take shape in Scotland[/size] Build programme 'well under way'... The Aircraft Carrier Alliance (ACA) is forging ahead on the Queen Elizabeth (QE) Class, having recently made contract awards worth £325 million that will drive momentum into the ongoing build of HMS Queen Elizabeth. On 14 January, Secretary of State for Scotland, Jim Murphy MP visited Govan to welcome the contracts which have been placed in Scotland. Following the visit, he said "These contract awards are great news for Glasgow, the Scottish economy and Scottish jobs. There has never been any doubt how important the aircraft carriers are to Scotland as a multibillion pound project securing thousands of jobs." full article: http://www.shippingtimes.co.uk/item_10274.html HMS QUEEN ELIZABETH takes shape in Govan http://www.shippingtimes.co.uk/images/med/10274.jpg
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[size=3]Navy's new carriers take shape in Scotland[/size] Build programme 'well under way'... The Aircraft Carrier Alliance (ACA) is forging ahead on the Queen Elizabeth (QE) Class, having recently made contract awards worth £325 million that will drive momentum into the ongoing build of HMS Queen Elizabeth. On 14 January, Secretary of State for Scotland, Jim Murphy MP visited Govan to welcome the contracts which have been placed in Scotland. Following the visit, he said "These contract awards are great news for Glasgow, the Scottish economy and Scottish jobs. There has never been any doubt how important the aircraft carriers are to Scotland as a multibillion pound project securing thousands of jobs." full article: http://www.shippingtimes.co.uk/item_10274.html HMS QUEEN ELIZABETH takes shape in Govan http://www.shippingtimes.co.uk/images/med/10274.jpg
A good sight to see! I hope pictures like this silence the unnamed pundits who like to release statements stating the carriers should be cancelled or are under threat. I noticed recently a couple of statements released to the press from these unnamed sources. The first one was about how the increadibly cheap to operate (just £3million a year - and peanuts in the grand scheme of things) Battle of Britain Memorial flight was under threat for financial reasons and then the next day a statement from a nobody on the inside that the new carriers were hyper expensive to buy in the modern world of counter insurgency in A-Stan and were under threat/should be cancelled. Then within days you get the head of the army stating that money should be spent on building up the Army for counter insurgency in A-Stan. (Considering that the target is to be out of A-stan by 2015 I wonder about that...)....Conveniant timing methinks!

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A good sight to see! I hope pictures like this silence the unnamed pundits who like to release statements stating the carriers should be cancelled or are under threat. I noticed recently a couple of statements released to the press from these unnamed sources. The first one was about how the increadibly cheap to operate (just £3million a year - and peanuts in the grand scheme of things) Battle of Britain Memorial flight was under threat for financial reasons and then the next day a statement from a nobody on the inside that the new carriers were hyper expensive to buy in the modern world of counter insurgency in A-Stan and were under threat/should be cancelled. Then within days you get the head of the army stating that money should be spent on building up the Army for counter insurgency in A-Stan. (Considering that the target is to be out of A-stan by 2015 I wonder about that...)....Conveniant timing methinks!
looking at the image realy places it to scale as a it looks like most of a T-45 is in the background you can realy see what huge ship its going to be when completed.
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looking at the image realy places it to scale as a it looks like most of a T-45 is in the background you can realy see what huge ship its going to be when completed.
I think that's just one of the middle hull sections, but you're right it does look pretty damn impressive all the same.
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Well at the end good news for the QE!! 1Saludo

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looking at the image realy places it to scale as a it looks like most of a T-45 is in the background you can realy see what huge ship its going to be when completed.
I think that's just one of the middle hull sections, but you're right it does look pretty damn impressive all the same.
Elsewhere, it has been identified as one of the aft sections of HMS Duncan D37, 6th T-45 destroyer.
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By comparrison, how far did they get constructionwise back in the 40s with HMS Malta and her sisters before the plug was pulled?
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Very different situation. We'd been spending half of GDP on the armed forces, building up debts as fast as Gordon Brown has this year, but year after year, despite liquidating assets as fast as we could. We had more ships already at sea than we could sustain. The choice wasn't between Malta et al & no major ships, it was which of the plethora of already built, building, & planned ships to keep or finish, & which to sell or scrap. Our national credit was exhausted. We had to cut, & cut hugely: 80-90%, & fast, or the economy would collapse. We're now spending just over 2% of GDP on defence, & the choice is between completing two carriers which we've already paid a fair proportion of the cost of, & no large surface ships at all. We can choose whether to cut or not. The cost difference between having these ships & not having them is lost in the margins of error in spending by other departments.

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Elsewhere, it has been identified as one of the aft sections of HMS Duncan D37, 6th T-45 destroyer.
Its the only one still under construction?

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More's the pity :(

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Bow being floated out looks pretty big to me http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/upload/img/Fleet___DNI_-_HTTP_____FJ______.jpg
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By comparrison, how far did they get constructionwise back in the 40s with HMS Malta and her sisters before the plug was pulled?
None of the Malta class were ever laid down, and it is unlikely steel was ever cut for any of them. Too late in the war to make a difference, and the shipyards had higher priorities. By comparison, at the rate the shipyards are going ahead with the two carriers, they could have all the sections ready for assembly before the election!;):D
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None of the Malta class were ever laid down, and it is unlikely steel was ever cut for any of them. Too late in the war to make a difference, and the shipyards had higher priorities. By comparison, at the rate the shipyards are going ahead with the two carriers, they could have all the sections ready for assembly before the election!;):D
So the Cancelled CVA-01 actually progressed further than the Maltas with components such as what became Ark Royal's waste Catapult actually being built?
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Some long lead items for CVA-01 probably did find their way onto Ark Royal, her water cooled JBDs for a start but not the waist catapult, it was a 199ft stroke BS5 whilst the CVA-01 class would have had 250ft stroke BS6 catapults. The DAX II arrestor engines could have been part of the CVA order too, but Ark Royal's refit was planned anyway as aprt of the CVA program, along with a full upgrade for Eagle. As the three new CVAs could not be built simltaneously, two of the existing carriers would have to be 'Phantomised' as stop gaps until CVA-02 and CVA-03 could be built. So equipment like water cooled JBDs, DAX II wires etc would have been ordered for more than one ship. Eagle received a single DAX II wire for Phantom trials around 1967-68 in addition to the four fitted to Ark Royal. AFAIK, no BS6 catapults were built once the CVA program was cancelled. The scisors lift design found it's way into the Invincible class, but these units were not ordered until several years later. Like the Malta class, no steel was cut for the hulls of the CVA-01 class carriers.

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There is some (doubtfull) hope for the hms queen elizabeth but personally, I have no more to the prince of wales (only a dream) A 130-160 million $ (?200?) piece for the F-35, the british will never have enough money to buy 50-70 aircraft. We are heading toward 25/35 aircraft ... and 1 aircraft carrier ... in the best case.... As for the entire cancellation of the program, it is still possible, expecting the end of 2010 :rolleyes:
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There is some (doubtfull) hope for the hms queen elizabeth but personally, I have no more to the prince of wales (only a dream) A 130-160 million $ (?200?) piece for the F-35, the british will never have enough money to buy 50-70 aircraft. We are heading toward 25/35 aircraft ... and 1 aircraft carrier ... in the best case.... As for the entire cancellation of the program, it is still possible, expecting the end of 2010 :rolleyes:
dont agree with any of this. Both aircraft carriers are coming and only one will be at sea - 60 F-35 would be enough for that situation. Not great though if you need to surge and put both to sea.

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There is some (doubtfull) hope for the hms queen elizabeth but personally, I have no more to the prince of wales (only a dream) A 130-160 million $ (?200?) piece for the F-35, the british will never have enough money to buy 50-70 aircraft. We are heading toward 25/35 aircraft ... and 1 aircraft carrier ... in the best case.... As for the entire cancellation of the program, it is still possible, expecting the end of 2010 :rolleyes:
Do you have any idea how badly the next govt would be chewed out for cancelling a ship so far gone in construction? They can't exactly reuse those already constructed blocks on anything. And by the time PoW is laid down everyone will have forgotten about the financial crisis and people will be sick of hearing about cuts, it'd probably just be best to keep quiet about PoW for a few years and no one will question trying to fight it out with BAE over cancellation costs. At least try and cut back on the pessimism a bit. I doubt many people see QE being cancelled at the very least at this point.