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By: djcross - 25th July 2019 at 00:36 - Edited 25th July 2019 at 00:39

wait what!? I thought the F-35 program was the Key to future mission success...


F-35 was only intended to counter threats for approximately 30 years, with parity in forces occurring in approximately 2030. Threats include evolved S-300 and Su-27, which we see today as S-400/500/HQ-9 and SU-35/57. F-35's short combat radius is its biggest downfall in countering post-2030 threats.

NGAD is intended to operate over the timespan 2030-2060 against threats which are expected to be introduced at that time period.

The key takeaway from the article is:

Design concepts are still classified, but it is expected that stealth-enabled survivability, advanced electronic warfare capabilities, robust sensors, processing power and the ability to share data in a real-time, collaborative fashion will stand as key attributes.

It is also highly likely that NGAD will not be one specific aircraft. It will likely comprise an integrated system of manned and unmanned aircraft that will integrate networked teaming to deliver desired mission effects.

"Not one specific aircraft" and "integrated system" means expensive, expensive, expensive. It is definitely not going to be a set of capabilities which poor countries can replicate or counter. Tempest and the DA fighter mockup are yesterday's requirements, not those capable of countering threats in 2030+.

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By: haavarla - 25th July 2019 at 00:52


F-35 was only intended to counter threats for approximately 30 years, with parity in forces occurring in approximately 2030. Threats include evolved S-300 and Su-27, which we see today as S-400/500/HQ-9 and SU-35/57. F-35's short combat radius is its biggest downfall in countering post-2030 threats.

NGAD is intended to operate over the timespan 2030-2060 against threats which are expected to be introduced at that time period.

The key takeaway from the article is:

"Not one specific aircraft" and "integrated system" means expensive, expensive, expensive. It is definitely not going to be a set of capabilities which poor countries can replicate or counter. Tempest and the DA fighter mockup are yesterday's requirements, not those capable of countering threats in 2030+.

Yeah, but try not to put too much sugar on this djc..
This what you describe is not somethinh that only happen every 30 year in history.
It happens every day, every week ,moth and year!
Its a dynamical ladder, and new and better force multiplier comes out all the time.

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By: panzerfeist1 - 25th July 2019 at 04:15

F-35 was only intended to counter threats for approximately 30 years, with parity in forces occurring in approximately 2030. Threats include evolved S-300 and Su-27, which we see today as S-400/500/HQ-9 and SU-35/57. F-35's short combat radius is its biggest downfall in countering post-2030 threats.

This reminds me of the time the US thought it would take Russia 10 years to develop nukes and in the next 3 years we can all guess what happened next. I am not putting a lot of high hopes when someone develops a weapon system to believe they have superiority over said amount of time. I never take boasting from any country too seriously not bashing just the F-35 but also the s-400 just people that think its the greatest thing since slice of bread.

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By: djcross - 25th July 2019 at 04:46 - Edited 25th July 2019 at 04:47

All weapons have a useful life. F-35's prominence in the System of Systems is expected to expire in the 2030s when other countries could match its capabilities and/or field countermeasures to its capabilities.

The big military aviation news for the past week was Turkey's expulsion from the F-35 program. The expulsion was necessary because F-35 performance information, captured by S-400's ESM, could be provided to the Russians and Chinese. The ESM data would allow Russia/China to reverse engineer F-35 mission systems and software, cutting many years off of F-35's useful life.

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By: TomcatViP - 28th July 2019 at 09:47 - Edited 28th July 2019 at 09:47

Lockheed Martin wins $600 million contract to supply U.S. Navy radars

Lockheed Martin's Radar Sensor Systems market segment has been awarded a contract from Northrop Grumman worth over $600 million.

The contract is for multi-year production of 24 additional APY-9 radars for the U.S. Navy's E-2D aircraft program. It's also known as the Advanced Hawkeye program.

The APY-9 radar program is nearing completion of a current five-year production contract in 2020, and this new award calls for another five years of production – with deliveries spanning from 2021 to 2025. The latest radar order will include Lockheed Martin's new Advanced Radar Processor.

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By: XB-70 - 28th July 2019 at 16:40

[USER="41059"]halloweene[/USER] - There wasn't much of anything there...just the statement from April regurgitated again and then some generalized (often non-related) stuff. The latest I could dig up is this below. It seems like it is still just generalized concepts...might not learn much until years end or next year.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2019-06-15/sixth-gen-fighters-already-drawing-board

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By: SpudmanWP - 29th July 2019 at 02:30 - Edited 29th July 2019 at 02:33


Probably clickbait sensionalistic article albeit worth reading

Let me check.. let's see.. "nationalinterest.org".. yup, clickbait and no, not worth reading ;)

You also seem to make the same primary mistake that they do: The F/A-XX & PCA are not F-35 replacements, they are F-22 Super Hornet replacements.

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By: TR1 - 30th July 2019 at 06:22

https://www.aninews.in/news/national/general-news/india-russia-sign-rs-1500-crore-deal-for-air-to-air-missiles-to-be-used-by-su-3020190729180503/

Interesting. India buying ~220 million USD of R-27s from Russia. Last time they bought R-27s was in 2013, 400 missiles from Ukraine.

Also there was talk about another deal for 300 R-73E and 400 RVV-AE. Hopefully meaning an export version of the R-77-1, to replace the old Ukrainian stock.

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By: BlackArcher - 30th July 2019 at 19:13 - Edited 30th July 2019 at 19:20

https://www.aninews.in/news/national...0190729180503/

Interesting. India buying ~220 million USD of R-27s from Russia. Last time they bought R-27s was in 2013, 400 missiles from Ukraine.

Also there was talk about another deal for 300 R-73E and 400 RVV-AE. Hopefully meaning an export version of the R-77-1, to replace the old Ukrainian stock.

They did order those R-73Es and possibly the RVV-AEs..most likely due to the expiry of some of the existing stocks due to much greater usage and flight time post Balakot. There were a couple of articles talking about the IAF evaluating the RVV-MD, RVV-MD and the RVV-BD recently. Instead they've ordered the RVV-AE, the older variant. Only reason would be replenish stocks quickly.

But yes, interesting to see the order for those Alamos. Not quite sure which version of the R-27 was ordered although in the past the IAF has ordered R-27R1 and RE1, and the R-27T1 and TE1. One of the latest variants is the R-27EA active radar guided variant that is quoted as having a +130 km range.

R-27EA specs link