The European Union will consider "targeted measures" against Russia if tensions do not start easing in Ukraine's Crimea region, France's foreign minister warned Moscow on Monday.
"If there is not in the coming hours a very quick de-escalation, then we will decide concrete measures such as the suspension of all talks on visas, suspension of economic agreements and concretely that means that ties will be cut on lot of subjects," Laurent Fabius told BFM TV.
Could such measures affect the LHDs currently under construction in both Russia and France?
PARIS, March 3 (Reuters) - The crisis in Ukraine has not so far reached the point that the French government is considering halting the sale of assault warships to Russia, French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said on Monday.
Asked on RTL radio whether France would suspend the deal, Fabius said: "We aren't there. For the moment we are trying to stop the Russian movement in Ukraine and maintain, or rather, establish dialogue."
What other points of exposure are there for Russian military-industrial programs? I know Su-30SM has some western gear.
By: TR1
- 4th March 2014 at 23:55Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Nothing major, but some important things.
Some thermal equipment, laser gyros, etc.
Su-30SM has a Thales HUD. Would be nice to see it replaced with the Russian HUD from the Su-35, but I will admit the French one looks pretty cool ;) .
I expect all these French defense companies to make it clear to their gov they don't want these lucrative deals to be affected.
Inside though I would be so happy if the overpriced floating barges were cancelled. So so happy.
By: El_Indigo
- 5th March 2014 at 01:18Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Laser gyros ? From whom ? Last I remember it was Frenchies that were interested in Russian laser gyros ? Okay that was long ago. but still ... seriously ?
I'm hoping after the dust settles Putin and Co will start to diversify Russia economie and there will be a modernization program a cross Russia instead of ******* talking about it and on the double.
BTW, don't remember which agency (either RIA or Lenta) Minstral deal go's ahead.
What other points of exposure are there for Russian military-industrial programs? I know Su-30SM has some western gear.
Mistral is very paltry sum of $1.5b deal. infact Russia can offer direct employment to French workers at higher pay and lower taxes.
Russia is going to profit from sanctions. Russia does not take France seriously so not even responding to French politicians babbling.
By: swerve
- 10th March 2014 at 21:28Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
France sold Foudre to Chile in 2011. Only Siroco is still in French service. She's scheduled for retirement & sale, but there have been stories that Chile has first dibs, & may take her.
By: verbatim
- 10th March 2014 at 22:06Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
France sold Foudre to Chile in 2011. Only Siroco is still in French service. She's scheduled for retirement & sale, but there have been stories that Chile has first dibs, & may take her.
I knew about the Foudre itself, I was wondering why Russian Navy hadn't a look at Foudre's blueprints on top of the Mistral's deal.
I suspect at the time, French Government would have loved to sell them (the blueprints), along with the Mistrals, even without actually building any for Russian Navy.
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By: JSTCVW09CD - 31st January 2014 at 08:03 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
A-192M No.1 was delivered for the first 22350 in December 2013 by MZ Arsenal.
When will it be installed and ready for sea trials?
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By: Anonymous - 7th February 2014 at 04:35 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
All Russia seems to be building in Submarines, Frigates, and LHD's. As "major" combatants in the near future???
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By: Jinan - 12th February 2014 at 20:26 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
What good are bigger ships without escorts....?
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By: Bager1968 - 13th February 2014 at 02:53 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
And they have stepped up their modernization & reactivation of the nuclear-powered cruisers.
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By: Rii - 4th March 2014 at 17:46 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
France warns Russia of 'targeted measures'
Could such measures affect the LHDs currently under construction in both Russia and France?
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By: El_Indigo - 4th March 2014 at 19:45 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I hope so. That would be damn fine news.
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By: Rii - 4th March 2014 at 23:11 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Reuters
What other points of exposure are there for Russian military-industrial programs? I know Su-30SM has some western gear.
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By: TR1 - 4th March 2014 at 23:55 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Nothing major, but some important things.
Some thermal equipment, laser gyros, etc.
Su-30SM has a Thales HUD. Would be nice to see it replaced with the Russian HUD from the Su-35, but I will admit the French one looks pretty cool ;) .
I expect all these French defense companies to make it clear to their gov they don't want these lucrative deals to be affected.
Inside though I would be so happy if the overpriced floating barges were cancelled. So so happy.
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By: El_Indigo - 5th March 2014 at 01:18 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Laser gyros ? From whom ? Last I remember it was Frenchies that were interested in Russian laser gyros ? Okay that was long ago. but still ... seriously ?
I'm hoping after the dust settles Putin and Co will start to diversify Russia economie and there will be a modernization program a cross Russia instead of ******* talking about it and on the double.
BTW, don't remember which agency (either RIA or Lenta) Minstral deal go's ahead.
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By: JSR - 5th March 2014 at 04:57 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Mistral is very paltry sum of $1.5b deal. infact Russia can offer direct employment to French workers at higher pay and lower taxes.
Russia is going to profit from sanctions. Russia does not take France seriously so not even responding to French politicians babbling.
French Auto industry and Airbus is depended on Russia.
http://rostec.ru/en/news/3491
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By: tomcat1974 - 5th March 2014 at 21:30 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
You really don't know facts don't you?
Aluminium? Titanium? Are you serious? Look at production levels by country.
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By: verbatim - 7th March 2014 at 20:22 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Why so?
Mistral are fine ship forma the amphibious warfare, the only weakness being a little small for the typical force structure on the black berets.
Bit still versatile and moderna LHD are they, maybe only the spanish Juan Carlos would have ben a better choice.
I'm still wondering why russian MoD didn't purchase some LSD as well.
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By: Yama - 8th March 2014 at 00:56 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
They may have :P
In other news, as has been already reported, old Kara-class hulk 'Ochakov' indeed has been sunk as a blockship in Donuzval Bay: http://www.demotix.com/news/4108631/kiev-accuses-russia-sinking-cruiser-ship-blockade-ukraine-fleet#media-4108401
Sad sight!
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By: YAK-28-BREWER - 9th March 2014 at 19:20 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Yes but tell that to the BBC. The way they reported it you'd think it was an active unit that was scuttled.
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By: TR1 - 9th March 2014 at 19:47 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Well, BBC is consistently a joke when it comes to Russia.
Nice!
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By: verbatim - 10th March 2014 at 14:10 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
LOL!
I meant the Foudre class LSDs, French Navy is getting rid of them as not strictly relevant given present budgetary constraints.
They would still be a quantum leap compared to legacy landing ships requiring to actually bring them ashore.
Looking at their US Navy's mentors, the Widbey Island LSDs, it could be feasible to redesign the hull to make some of them as logistic ships.
Mistral, Foudre and some logistic hull would make a quite impressive amphibious warfare force.
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By: swerve - 10th March 2014 at 21:28 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
France sold Foudre to Chile in 2011. Only Siroco is still in French service. She's scheduled for retirement & sale, but there have been stories that Chile has first dibs, & may take her.
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By: verbatim - 10th March 2014 at 22:06 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I knew about the Foudre itself, I was wondering why Russian Navy hadn't a look at Foudre's blueprints on top of the Mistral's deal.
I suspect at the time, French Government would have loved to sell them (the blueprints), along with the Mistrals, even without actually building any for Russian Navy.
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By: YU1 - 14th March 2014 at 17:50 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Recent pic of Admiral Grigorovich and video of the launching.
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By: YU1 - 14th March 2014 at 18:18 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Recent pics of Sevastopol and Ivan Gren.