By: pfcem
- 21st April 2010 at 05:00Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I've heard that F22s almost don't use this capability as they prefer to stay airborne for longer period as they can remain undetected. They then engage AB to quickly accelerate to supersonic speeds for intercepts. But basically they don't SC for very long periods.
I beleive that SC can be truely useful in an environment where the ennemy is clearly known but in complex environment I doubt that a fighter jet will shoot at a target at full range without positive ID.
Just to say that SC might sounds that the ultimate thing to have but that it could in fact rarely be used in a real conflict scenario.
Anyway the F22 doesn't need that to dominate any potential threats in the near future.
You have 'heard' incorrectly (actually I think you made it up). While a F-22 is certianly not going to needlessly supercruise for any significant period of time on a peacetime air partol or ferry flight to an overseas deployment, is does, as has been demonstrated so much in exercises, go into battle supercruising.
By: Scorpion82
- 21st April 2010 at 08:38Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I can see that , even when the Typhoon is chasing Russian bombers around :
Strange , why that ? Why not having Amraams under the wings ?
Cheers .
There are AMRAAMs on the fuselage stations here. The QRA outfit for the RAF is as described by Toan. Italians are sometimes also using one AMRAAM on their QRA aircraft.
not carrying medium to long range missiles during routine CAPs is not wise , I disagree with such decision .
Interceptors on "Scramble" duty are loaded and ready to take off in less than 10 minutes , even less in critical times .
You don 't have time to load up anything , you just rush and take off .
Again , I don 't get it ?
Is the RAF so ... loose ?
Or what else ?
In peace times there is usually not need to carry BVR missiles and as said the RAF does fit AMRAAMs to its QRA Typhoons. Training missions are a different matter and you can certainly simulate AMRAAM shots, whether you have AMRAAMs loaded or not.
I 've just watched a French video on Red Flag and something has call my attention big time .
It seems that we fired IR Micas for real
Obviously , the targets were most probably drones (?) .
ROFLMAO, you can't distinguish video footage from a video game from real HuD video? Even more funny as the HuD symbology is typical Russian, though with english markings instead of Cyrillic.
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By: Nicolas10
- 21st April 2010 at 09:01Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Maybe I'm able to run it through a translation software, I still have it on my HD. It was that ~80 pages pdf if I recall correctly.
Feel free to ask for the translation of particular passages of interest if the translator doesn't do it.
By: TooCool_12f
- 21st April 2010 at 09:13Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
ROFLMAO, you can't distinguish video footage from a video game from real HuD video? Even more funny as the HuD symbology is typical Russian, though with english markings instead of Cyrillic.
actually, while the video are from lock on, the pilot interviewed said they had for the first time the MICA IR and they had the objective to validate the missiles firing in hot conditions... they did fire "live" MICA IR missiles (but the video as such shows no real images, that's correct)
if his data (0.8 lb/lbt/hr for the F-119 in military power) are correct (the math seems to be ok), the F-22 in supercruise would be pretty short-legged.. and that's considering it has no margin for using AB in battle: 270nm one way, and then turn back and go home.
So, basically, it would indicate that the use of the supercruise would be kept for "in combat zone flying" rather than wasting fuel in joining the combat and being alarmingly short-legged once there.
By: TEEJ
- 21st April 2010 at 09:22Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Good grief, Bluewings. It isn't getting any better!
Have you ever tried a basic search on the web before you post? There are videos of Quick Reacton Alert launches and a whole host of images with Typhoon in QRA fit.
See following video link. It is real and not a video game! The pilot drops some paperwork. Obviously this is very important downloads from your forum posts. No Typhoon pilot goes anywhere without all the info and tactics gleaned from Bluewings posts!
'Typhoon fighter jet scrambled at RAF Coningsby, Lincolnshire'
Instead of getting your panties in a twist, would you care to explain to me why a QRA plane would need 8 missiles in peacetime while there is exactly no foe to worry about in the current international context.
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By: pfcem - 21st April 2010 at 05:00 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
You have 'heard' incorrectly (actually I think you made it up). While a F-22 is certianly not going to needlessly supercruise for any significant period of time on a peacetime air partol or ferry flight to an overseas deployment, is does, as has been demonstrated so much in exercises, go into battle supercruising.
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By: Scorpion82 - 21st April 2010 at 08:38 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
There are AMRAAMs on the fuselage stations here. The QRA outfit for the RAF is as described by Toan. Italians are sometimes also using one AMRAAM on their QRA aircraft.
In peace times there is usually not need to carry BVR missiles and as said the RAF does fit AMRAAMs to its QRA Typhoons. Training missions are a different matter and you can certainly simulate AMRAAM shots, whether you have AMRAAMs loaded or not.
ROFLMAO, you can't distinguish video footage from a video game from real HuD video? Even more funny as the HuD symbology is typical Russian, though with english markings instead of Cyrillic.
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By: Nicolas10 - 21st April 2010 at 09:01 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Feel free to ask for the translation of particular passages of interest if the translator doesn't do it.
Nic
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By: TooCool_12f - 21st April 2010 at 09:13 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
actually, while the video are from lock on, the pilot interviewed said they had for the first time the MICA IR and they had the objective to validate the missiles firing in hot conditions... they did fire "live" MICA IR missiles (but the video as such shows no real images, that's correct)
@pfcem
there's a guy that made some calculations here:
http://lantinian.blogspot.com/2009/01/f-22-supercruise-combat-radius.html
if his data (0.8 lb/lbt/hr for the F-119 in military power) are correct (the math seems to be ok), the F-22 in supercruise would be pretty short-legged.. and that's considering it has no margin for using AB in battle: 270nm one way, and then turn back and go home.
So, basically, it would indicate that the use of the supercruise would be kept for "in combat zone flying" rather than wasting fuel in joining the combat and being alarmingly short-legged once there.
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By: TEEJ - 21st April 2010 at 09:22 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Good grief, Bluewings. It isn't getting any better!
Have you ever tried a basic search on the web before you post? There are videos of Quick Reacton Alert launches and a whole host of images with Typhoon in QRA fit.
See following video link. It is real and not a video game! The pilot drops some paperwork. Obviously this is very important downloads from your forum posts. No Typhoon pilot goes anywhere without all the info and tactics gleaned from Bluewings posts!
'Typhoon fighter jet scrambled at RAF Coningsby, Lincolnshire'
Link to video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAqZ4yYMVZ4
The following image I took at RAF Coningsby showing the QRA fit. Two further ASRAAMs are carried on the outer pylons.
TJ
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By: Nicolas10 - 21st April 2010 at 09:28 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
8 missiles for peacetime QRA?
Talk about a waste of missile flying hours... :confused:
I'd say 2 AMRAAM + 2 ASRAAM would be plenty already.
Nic
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By: TEEJ - 21st April 2010 at 09:50 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Well write or e-mail the MoD and inform them? I'm sure they will adjust the QRA fit to your requirements, Nic? Why not drop a letter to RAF Coningsby?
Why not give them a ring?
http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafconingsby/contactus.cfm
I'm sure that they will download a couple of ASRAAMs from the QRA bird.
I'm sure that there will now be a mad rush via GEMS to claim that financial reward!
http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/AboutDefence/WhatWeDo/Personnel/GEMS/
TJ
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By: Nicolas10 - 21st April 2010 at 10:14 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Instead of getting your panties in a twist, would you care to explain to me why a QRA plane would need 8 missiles in peacetime while there is exactly no foe to worry about in the current international context.
Nic
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By: Arthur - 21st April 2010 at 10:32 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Bit long there, guys. Start a new one if you please.