By: mm2000
- 3rd March 2007 at 21:45Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Sorry, for all ,but it's not correct history,Saddam didn't change airforce day from april to 22/09 is still in 22th April all to invasion in 2003 and airforce big celebration in 22/09 every year for remark a blitz attack Iran by Iraqi airforce.
Yes Tango III the air force day is 22/04 evry year and still untel the 2003.
By: ha27
- 3rd March 2007 at 22:10Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
excuse me Iraqi Pilot,if you are an iraqi pilot,why we are not see anything from your pics:confused: for the iraqi aircraft,plz real photos not coping from magazines:cool:
we are waiting
By: TAZZ
- 6th March 2007 at 18:33Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
hiya!
got some questions for a model of an iraqi mig-23BN im working on, and would greatly appreciate input:
I read somewhere that iraqi mig-23BNs carried the exocet missile, is this true?
were they ever modified to carry other special weapons?
what woudl be typical war loadout be?
did they carry chemical munitions (db-2 or R-400)
thanks for any info!!
regards
Okay MigMan
I saw the picture of that Flogger H with what is supposed to be an AM-39 Exocet... but where is tha acquisition/guidance radar?
I think that this aircraft - and some others with sometimes "strange loads" -were displayed only to fool foreign intel specialists. Iraki where supposed too to have fitted their SA-2 Guideline with an infrared seeker...
Acording to me, the only aircraft wired to carry the Exocet - and which actually used them - where : SA 331 Super-Frelo / Super Etandard (five on loan - four sent back to the French Navy) and the Mirage F1EQ6.
The typical load for an Iraqi MiG-23BN is the same as for any other Flogger H...
By: TEEJ
- 6th March 2007 at 18:58Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Okay MigMan
I saw the picture of that Flogger H with what is supposed to be an AM-39 Exocet... but where is tha acquisition/guidance radar?
I think that this aircraft - and some others with sometimes "strange loads" -were displayed only to fool foreign intel specialists. Iraki where supposed too to have fitted their SA-2 Guideline with an infrared seeker...
Acording to me, the only aircraft wired to carry the Exocet - and which actually used them - where : SA 331 Super-Frelo / Super Etandard (five on loan - four sent back to the French Navy) and the Mirage F1EQ6.
The typical load for an Iraqi MiG-23BN is the same as for any other Flogger H...
Huh? That isn't a Flogger H. Can you not see the radome? No fin fillet. Looks like a Flogger G.
Yes Iraq fitted a lot of their SAMs with various seekers. They used a lot of these weapons in the No Fly Zones in an attempt to bring down Coalition aircraft without the need for radar guidance.
By: googeler
- 11th March 2007 at 08:23Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
A lot of mix-ups IMO
First of all, the only MiG-23 that was seen carrying an Exocet was a modified ML - you can find pictures of it in this thread.
The BM was fitted with the IFR and displayed at the Baghdad airshow in 1989
At the same airshow there was an F1 EQ-4/5/6 with an ATLIS modified to guide the Kh-29L (and corresponding pylons)
There's no point in fitting a MiG-23BN with ATLIS pod, because it can guide the Kh-29L with its initial equipment in the nose
By: googeler
- 11th March 2007 at 08:38Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
though whatever thethe pod on the mirage f.1, its WAY bigger than an atlis pod!!
Maybe it looks bigger because it has the protective plastic cover?
Atlis should be 2.54 meters long and 31 cm diameter
Kh-29L should be 3.8 meters long and 38 cm diameter
TAZZ
Iraki where supposed too to have fitted their SA-2 Guideline with an infrared seeker...
No, those are SA-6 fitted with what looks like the AA-8 seeker. I've also seen SA-3s with SA-2 bosters, but no SA-2s modified
with IR seeker
By: Tango III
- 11th March 2007 at 09:15Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Originally Posted by googeler
At the same airshow there was an F1 EQ-4/5/6 with an ATLIS modified to guide the Kh-29L (and corresponding pylons)
There's no point in fitting a MiG-23BN with ATLIS pod, because it can guide the Kh-29L with its initial equipment in the nose
Here is pic of Iraqi Mirage F-1EQ with ATLIS pod at the Baghdad airshow in 1989.
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By: mm2000 - 3rd March 2007 at 21:45 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Yes Tango III the air force day is 22/04 evry year and still untel the 2003.
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By: mm2000 - 3rd March 2007 at 22:04 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Why you thanks saddam and the iranians
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By: ha27 - 3rd March 2007 at 22:10 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
excuse me Iraqi Pilot,if you are an iraqi pilot,why we are not see anything from your pics:confused: for the iraqi aircraft,plz real photos not coping from magazines:cool:
we are waiting
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By: Spectre130 - 3rd March 2007 at 22:13 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I trained Iraqi air crews at Talil (now refered to as Ali airbase) in 2004
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By: ha27 - 3rd March 2007 at 22:20 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
explain plz,what the kind of training?for which aircrafts,helicopters or maintenance etc?
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By: Spectre130 - 3rd March 2007 at 22:35 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Flight Engineer, C-130E
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By: cthornburg - 4th March 2007 at 00:36 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I think they have been posted before but definately not Tiger Moth's
Chris
www.worldairforces.com
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By: indian_sukhoi - 4th March 2007 at 18:56 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
One of the Best Topics started.
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By: TAZZ - 6th March 2007 at 18:33 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Okay MigMan
I saw the picture of that Flogger H with what is supposed to be an AM-39 Exocet... but where is tha acquisition/guidance radar?
I think that this aircraft - and some others with sometimes "strange loads" -were displayed only to fool foreign intel specialists. Iraki where supposed too to have fitted their SA-2 Guideline with an infrared seeker...
Acording to me, the only aircraft wired to carry the Exocet - and which actually used them - where : SA 331 Super-Frelo / Super Etandard (five on loan - four sent back to the French Navy) and the Mirage F1EQ6.
The typical load for an Iraqi MiG-23BN is the same as for any other Flogger H...
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By: TEEJ - 6th March 2007 at 18:58 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Huh? That isn't a Flogger H. Can you not see the radome? No fin fillet. Looks like a Flogger G.
Yes Iraq fitted a lot of their SAMs with various seekers. They used a lot of these weapons in the No Fly Zones in an attempt to bring down Coalition aircraft without the need for radar guidance.
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By: MiGMan - 11th March 2007 at 02:10 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
"The Iraqis even fitted the French ATLIS laser targeting pod to their MiG-23BNs to guide the Kh-29L "
im thinking of doign this for my model..... any photos or info?
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By: jase1 - 11th March 2007 at 05:39 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Hi guys,just a general question,where any Mirage F1s captured in flyable condition? if so where are they?
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By: MiGMan - 11th March 2007 at 07:56 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
what im thinking so far:
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By: googeler - 11th March 2007 at 08:23 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
A lot of mix-ups IMO
First of all, the only MiG-23 that was seen carrying an Exocet was a modified ML - you can find pictures of it in this thread.
The BM was fitted with the IFR and displayed at the Baghdad airshow in 1989
At the same airshow there was an F1 EQ-4/5/6 with an ATLIS modified to guide the Kh-29L (and corresponding pylons)
There's no point in fitting a MiG-23BN with ATLIS pod, because it can guide the Kh-29L with its initial equipment in the nose
...will get back with images
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By: MiGMan - 11th March 2007 at 08:27 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
yea, hence why i wanted to check ;)
though i got my information from articles posted on these forums and http://www.vectorsite.net/avmig23_2.html
dont worry, ive got the pics u refer too :) though whatever thethe pod on the mirage f.1, its WAY bigger than an atlis pod!!
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By: googeler - 11th March 2007 at 08:38 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Maybe it looks bigger because it has the protective plastic cover?
Atlis should be 2.54 meters long and 31 cm diameter
Kh-29L should be 3.8 meters long and 38 cm diameter
TAZZ
No, those are SA-6 fitted with what looks like the AA-8 seeker. I've also seen SA-3s with SA-2 bosters, but no SA-2s modified
with IR seeker
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By: Tango III - 11th March 2007 at 09:15 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Here is pic of Iraqi Mirage F-1EQ with ATLIS pod at the Baghdad airshow in 1989.
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By: tbzz - 12th March 2007 at 06:20 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Thread still alive!!!Good, becouse I found more pic. - some old planes Fury, Hunter and Vampires.
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By: Tango III - 12th March 2007 at 08:06 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Thanks,welcome again:D
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By: tbzz - 12th March 2007 at 10:00 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
And two more :)
