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By: - 5th October 2004 at 17:28 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Probably one of the Subs the UK sold Canada in the first place, there were reports by the Canadians of major defects with these. Ironic its now the very same UK forces that are trying to go and save it.
My thoughts go with the Sailors, I hope they will all be OK
By: - 5th October 2004 at 17:33 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Does the RN or Norway have a DSRV ?
from CTV.ca
Canadian sub calls for help off coast of Ireland
CTV.ca News Staff
A Canadian submarine off the coast of Ireland has made a call for assistance after a fire broke out on board. The British Royal Navy is responding.
The vessel has been identified as a diesel-electric patrolling sub, HMCS Chicoutimi, with 56 people aboard.
It appears there is a fire on board, Neil Smith of the Royal Air Force's Rescue Centre, told CTV Newsnet.
"There are reports of three people suffering from smoke inhalation," Smith said.
He added that it's not known what caused the fire or what damage, if any, the ship has sustained.
Smith said the Royal Navy has a Sea King helicopter and a tanker on route to lend assistance. The Royal Navy is also in the process of scrambling a frigate as well to the site.
The Canadian navy only recently took possession of Chicoutimi and three other Victoria-class submarines from the British navy. The submarines were built in the late 1980s and early 1990s.
A renaming ceremony was held just this past Saturday in Scotland, as the submarine changed its name from HMS Upholder to HMCS Chicoutimi.
The Chicoutimi was on its way to Halifax and was due to arrive in Halifax harbour Oct. 18. It would then begin patrolling the East Coast.
Another of the submarines bought at the same time, HMCS Victoria, is currently testing its torpedo system on the West Coast. A third vessel, HMCS Corner Brook, is undergoing work in Halifax. The fourth craft is HMCS Windsor.
The British navy mothballed the subs in 1994 when they decided to go with an all-nuclear submarine force.
Canada agreed to buy the vessels in 1998 to replace three Oberon class boats. But shortly after Canada took possession, cracks were found in key valves on the subs.
Repairs and tests to certify the boats safe to dive took longer than expected, putting the "Canadianization process" about three years behind schedule.
By: - 5th October 2004 at 18:20 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
yes the British can send their rov .... but the blah blah channel wud not be enthuisaistic abt reporting this as they did for Krushk and also not to leave behind that it was they who made up to the sub caoz the Russians sub coud not make it ....... FULLY IGNORING that compared to the MIR , the British stuff is a peanut with the Russians haveing the highest passenger capacity, very long endurance and also the deepest one ...... but as usual and in tune with the well known Russian Misfortunes, the Mir lost their entire power trying to dock as that damn currents was at the heaviest odds when the Russians went down .... so saaad .......but the western hypocrisy and jealousy can be seen that even after the Titanic was 'discoverd' , the Russian submersible is still unknown ....
By: - 5th October 2004 at 18:49 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
If I were Canada, I would try to get rid of these subs. Nothing but misery has come from them, leaking valves and gauges, now this fire, and iirc there were some more trouble in the beginning too...
By: - 5th October 2004 at 18:52 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Canada is having very great defence budget cuts. other than peacekeeping
ops there's no forseeable threat in near future.
R&D on UUV should be pursued.
By: - 5th October 2004 at 21:02 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The RN operates the LR5 Submarine Rescue System (http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/lr5/index.html). It is a little bit premature to equate this incident with the Kursk though.
From this report: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3717906.stm it seems that there was some form of electrical fire aboard that was relatively quickly contained. 3 men needing treatment for smoke inhalation are the only listed casualties and those haven't needed to be taken off the boat.
She's not at risk now but is on the surface and has not got propulsion. The RN's duty TA escort and a fleet tug are enroute to render assistance though.
Seeings as she's recently competed a year long period of sea trials this is a very strange event. Upholder was the leadship of the class and launched in 1986 so it is possible that were looking at a simple component failure after the exertions of the sea trials. Dont know of a single submarine thats not vulnerable to that kind of incident!
By: - 5th October 2004 at 21:30 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Canada has a navy? ;)
By: - 5th October 2004 at 21:48 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Youre not the first to ask that question Google!.
"Canada Warship Seizes Tanker in Arabian Sea" -- Reuters, Feb. 8, 2002CANADIAN WARSHIP SEIZES TANKER IN... WAIT...CANADA HAS A WARSHIP?
Oh Right, and Switzerland Has Nuclear WeaponsArabian Sea (SatireWire.com) — Canadian television reported Friday that a Canadian warship in the Arabian Sea had seized a tanker suspected of smuggling oil from Iraq, leading many to suspect that the report was a hoax.
"You're kidding, right? Canada has a warship?" asked U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. "Like for war?
"Does Canada know?" he added.
"Nobody was more stunned than we were," said Kali Omari, first mate of the seized vessel. "We saw this frigate steaming toward us, and we were worried, but then we saw the maple leaf on the flag, and we thought, 'Oh, Canadians. What the hell do they want?'"
When an officer of the HMCS Vancouver announced that the tanker was about to be boarded, the crew of the detained ship was confused, said Omari, but their confusion quickly turned to anger when they saw what the Canadians sailors were carrying.
"They were armed. With guns," said Omari. "Canadians. With guns. And a warship. What is this world coming to?"
"They were pretty rude, too," Omari added. "They started asking us all sorts of questions, like 'Where did that oil come from?' But first we wanted to know who gave them the damn warship."
According to Canadian defense officials, the Vancouver is one of four frigates deployed in the region to assist in the U.S.-led Afghanistan conflict. The tanker was stopped, officials said, because its cargo of crude oil violated United Nations sanctions, which prohibit Iraq from selling oil unless in exchange for food and medicine.
The U.N. said the incident is already under investigation, and promised swift action against those found responsible for giving the Canadians guns. Initial findings indicate that the Vancouver crew may have been watching too many American television shows.
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It is of course in poor taste to mock the Canadians while there lads are adrift and doubtless feeling rather miserable in the North Sea. They're big lads though and as my PO once informed me (after a unilateral left wheel on command right wheel) 'the service is one for grown-ups, kiddies stay the other side of the gates in playschool' :cool:
By: - 5th October 2004 at 21:57 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
lol, it's always fun to mock our neighbors from the North! That is until they give us their cheap prescription drugs. :)
I did know they had a Navy, just not submarines?!
By: - 6th October 2004 at 14:16 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Canada is one of the very few Navies I really respect. Always developped their own stuff, or at least a large part of it and most of the time coming with very good new solutions. I love the shape of their Ships too.
As for the submarine, must be damn frightening in there when there's a fire. I hope everything is fine now.
By: - 6th October 2004 at 14:50 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
If I were Canada, I would try to get rid of these subs. Nothing but misery has come from them, leaking valves and gauges, now this fire, and iirc there were some more trouble in the beginning too...
Get rid of them? They JUST BOUGHT them!
The UK sold the Canucks lemons :(
By: - 6th October 2004 at 17:01 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
If the quality of the british-made cars is any indication, then good luck to Canada for buying these subs.
By: - 6th October 2004 at 18:36 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Oh good, I see the old Upholder class subs come with a roadside assistance package from the Royal Navy.
http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=597744§ion=news
First ship reaches stranded Canadian sub
Wed 6 October, 2004 17:09By David Ljunggren
OTTAWA (Reuters) - A British Royal Navy frigate has reached a crippled Canadian submarine and put a doctor on board the vessel, which was left drifting in heavy seas off the Irish coast after its engines were knocked out by a serious fire.
HMCS Chicoutimi, one of four used submarines that Canada bought from Britain, was on its maiden voyage on Tuesday from Scotland to Canada when the fire forced it to the surface. Nine crew members suffered from smoke inhalation.
This is like a lemon breaking down three blocks from the used car lot. I'd ask for my money back.
By: - 6th October 2004 at 19:04 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Terran that was a grr8 fine, really good one, seems like a grr8 stuff, must have learnt a lot from the Russians
By: - 6th October 2004 at 23:16 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The Canadians have operated British designed subs for decades and they are real professionals. The waters they routinely sail in are ROUGH and that environment produces some very good sailors. Their indigenously designed vessels - the Annapolis, Tribal and Halifax classes - are all well known for their excellent seakeeping qualities. They know a thing or two about boats then!.
Now it is being proposed that after a year of post-refit shakedown and sea trials the Canadians didnt notice that the boat was chronically mechnically unsound?. Please!. The Canadians accepted the boat officially into their fleet after the trials then embarked on transit to Nova Scotia. Guess what - you dont do that with a mechanically unsound vessel!.
Regarding the other vessels of the class I've read some of the defects listed in the media and they are things like split periscope shaft seals and signal ejector valve seals!. Wear and tear items that do fail and are the sort of things that are checked under routine operational maintenance schedules as opposed to being done alongside in the yard.
The 4 subs are not crap by a long way. They are just suffering the effects of having been laid up for too long without proper reserve maintenance - which was because they were not being held in operational reserve!. Let the Canadians run them operationally for a while and work out the remaining bugs and you'll find that they've got 4 first rate SSK's - perfectly suited for their environment and operational patterns - for a couple of hundred mill. Bargain!.
By: - 6th October 2004 at 23:22 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
what kind of weapons and sensors will they be armed with in canadian service ?
By: - 6th October 2004 at 23:41 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Weapons are the Mark48 mod4 HWTs IIRC. Last I heard they didnt have ADCAP though there were rumours the US was planning to sell them some. The boat can embark 18 weapons.
To operate these they are transferring the old SFCS Mk 1 FCS from their retired Oberon Class boats, something I believe they've found real problems in achieving. I dont think the sensor fit is much changed from that in RN service with the Type2040 bow active/passive array, a 2007 flank array and a 2019 intercept sonar. They have replaced the older 2026 towed array with the Hermes (Ultra) MUSL system. Very comprehensive fitout.
By: - 7th October 2004 at 00:20 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Thankfully everyone is safe and the boat appears to have suffered only minor damage. Just their luck that the weather was so rough.
I tend to agree with Jonesy that the bugs will get worked out and that these boats will provide good service.
Sauron
By: - 7th October 2004 at 02:05 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The lastest:
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By: Ren Frew - 5th October 2004 at 17:19
A submarine believed to be Canadian has issued a distress call off the west coast of Ireland 6/10/04. RAF rescue aircraft are attending the scene.
More to come.