That dome was most probably removed around the days of commissioning ceremony along with the arrestor cables. But even though they put back all arresting apparatus, they did not do the same with the dome at stern. My understanding is that those two area at stern are most probably destined for the VL missiles and close-in weapons and I always found that dome there as a mismatch. So my guess is that it was not its actual place and was just residing at its temporaty location?
@ Tempest414
INS Hansa @ Goa is a proper STOBAR facility with a ramp, chokes and arrestor gear apparatus. It is a full fledged facility for STOBAR and I believe Rafale-M would be better off in India if they want to test the aircraft or train themselves.
By: Tempest414
- 29th January 2014 at 07:47Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Yes, thats it.
That dome was most probably removed around the days of commissioning ceremony along with the arrestor cables. But even though they put back all arresting apparatus, they did not do the same with the dome at stern. My understanding is that those two area at stern are most probably destined for the VL missiles and close-in weapons and I always found that dome there as a mismatch. So my guess is that it was not its actual place and was just residing at its temporaty location?
@ Tempest414
INS Hansa @ Goa is a proper STOBAR facility with a ramp, chokes and arrestor gear apparatus. It is a full fledged facility for STOBAR and I believe Rafale-M would be better off in India if they want to test the aircraft or train themselves.
The point is that we all know that Rafale M can catch a wire but can it take off from a ramp why would Dassalt spend millions going to India to find out when there is two perfectly good ramps a hour away in the UK if all goes well with the point proved then go all the way to India
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By: Anonymous
- 7th February 2014 at 04:44Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Found this 1/700 scaled model of INS Vikramaditya.
By: hawkdriver05
- 8th February 2014 at 13:44Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
If Hawkeye can't operate off her (can it?) I don't believe any other fixed wing could. Are there any other FW carrier AEW aircraft out there? I think the Indian Navy will have to stick with helicopters unless the US finally decides to field an Osprey based system.
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By: obligatory
- 8th February 2014 at 14:50Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
This is a splendid opportunity for a joint venture with UK, both need an Osprey AEW badly,
Brazil should be interested too, and USMC would be self reliant if they tag along
By: kev 99
- 8th February 2014 at 16:17Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
This is a splendid opportunity for a joint venture with UK, both need an Osprey AEW badly,
Brazil should be interested too, and USMC would be self reliant if they tag along
UK has no interest in an Osprey AEW, it's going to be Merlin HM2 with whatever solution is selected as part of the Crowsnest program.
By: Bager1968
- 9th February 2014 at 01:47Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
If Hawkeye can't operate off her (can it?) I don't believe any other fixed wing could. Are there any other FW carrier AEW aircraft out there? I think the Indian Navy will have to stick with helicopters unless the US finally decides to field an Osprey based system.
The E-2C Hawkeye had demonstrated an ability to launch from a low incline ski-jump built ashore at NAS Patuxent River during the 1980s. In 2004 and early 2005 Northrop Grumman did further research on a ski-jumping Hawkeye 2000 in the context of a proposal to the Indian Navy, and while insisting that this was perfectly feasible had to admit that the required changes for STOBAR operations would reduce the aircraft's capabilities somewhat compared to the standard model.
By: JangBoGo
- 9th February 2014 at 15:59Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The E-2C Hawkeye had demonstrated an ability to launch from a low incline ski-jump built ashore at NAS Patuxent River during the 1980s. In 2004 and early 2005 Northrop Grumman did further research on a ski-jumping Hawkeye 2000 in the context of a proposal to the Indian Navy, and while insisting that this was perfectly feasible had to admit that the required changes for STOBAR operations would reduce the aircraft's capabilities somewhat compared to the standard model.
Probably it was based on that test that E-2C was offered to India. But from the earlier read news reports, the offer was rejected by Indian Navy because the payload lightened E-2C which could take-off from ski-jump could offer only about an hour in air. Anyways if they want to try again, they would be called upon to prove it from the STB, which is now ready. Well almost.... the "runway air finishers" being WIP.
By: JangBoGo
- 9th February 2014 at 16:05Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The point is that we all know that Rafale M can catch a wire but can it take off from a ramp why would Dassalt spend millions going to India to find out when there is two perfectly good ramps a hour away in the UK if all goes well with the point proved then go all the way to India
The point is about STO from the carrier deck and not about Rafale-M running 450m for take-off. What is required is 198m STO capability with max weapons load. AFAIK, the UK facility do not have the chokes which are an integral part of the STOBAR. So I dont see it simulating any carrier based STO.
The joint venture BrahMos Aerospace between Russia and India to showcase a full-scale mockup of a new BrahMos-M missile at DEFEXPO-2014 Land, Naval & Internal Homeland Security Systems Exhibition. It is a smaller version of the supersonic cruise missile BrahMos, ITAR-TASS reports with reference to the CEO of BrahMos Aerospace, Dr. A. Sivathanu Pillai.
"We must decrease the weight of the missile in order to integrate it with different platforms, including fifth-generation fighter developed by India in cooperation with Russia", - he noted adding that the fifth-generation fighter and carrier-based MiG-29K/KUB jets will be able to carry two BrahMos-M missiles, while Su-30MKI aircraft will carry three ones.
According to him, the Board of Directors of BrahMos Aerospace has approved the start of development of the new missile. "We hope to launch the first missile of the type in three years", - Pillai added.
Presumably, the missile will have the following dimensions: length - 6 m, diameter - 50 cm. It will have a maximum speed of 3,5 Mach (the current versions of missiles made by BrahMos Aerospace are able to reach the speed of 2.8 Mach). The missile will be able to carry a warhead with a weight of up to 300 kg; its range will be 290 km. The company has already tested two-stage BrahMos-M cruise missile with a length of 10 m and a diameter of 70 cm.
Equally deadly are another air-launched missile series from the Klub family meant for MiG-29K. This was shown back in 2007 and since then not much news about it. It might be in development or in testing and not something that have been shelved. We will get to hear something solid about this missile in 2015 (if we do not hear anything in 2014) as the MiG-35 for Russian AF is to start production in 2016.
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AFAIK, the innermost pylons on MiG-29K/35 is rated for 1,500Kg ordnance like the KAB-1500 series and 29K would be able to carry the sub-sonic varaint of the air-launched Klub family. Below are some spec for the two missiles.
3M-14AE (single-stage, subsonic) - land attack
Length - 6.2m
Weight - 1,400Kg
Warhead - 400Kg
Range - 220+Km
land/ship/sub-based are 3 & 2 stage respectively.
MiG-29K would be able to carry the 2 x sub-sonic Klub on underwing pylons where as the heavier & longer 3M54AE @ 1,950Kg & 7.9m would only fit in centr pylon.
First Indian-piloted MiG safely lands on Vikramaditya aircraft carrier
NEW DELHI, February 07. /ITAR-TASS/. A MIG-29KUB fighter piloted by an Indian pilot has made the first-ever landing on the deck of the Indian aircraft carrier Vikramaditya, a spokesman for Russia’s United Shipbuilding Corporation told Itar-Tass Friday.
“The landing of a two-seat sea-based MIG-29K jet was accomplished successfully,” he said. “The second pilot was a Russian officer.”
MOSCOW, February 7 (RIA Novosti) – An Indian MiG-29 naval jet landed on a refitted former Soviet aircraft carrier Friday, marking the first such operation since the ship was delivered by Russia to the south Asian nation earlier this year.
“An exciting event took place today – the first landing of an [Indian] MiG-29 piloted by an Indian pilot on the Vikramaditya,” Russia’s United Shipbuilding Corporation vice president Igor Ponomarev told reporters at the ongoing DEFEXPO-2014 exhibition in New Delhi.
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By: Anonymous
- 10th February 2014 at 07:23Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Why?
:rolleyes:
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By: Anonymous
- 10th February 2014 at 07:27Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
UK has no interest in an Osprey AEW, it's going to be Merlin HM2 with whatever solution is selected as part of the Crowsnest program.
I don't know about "no interest"! Yet, for political and cost reasons the UK will very likely go with the Merlin Based System. (which has been widely reported)
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By: Anonymous
- 10th February 2014 at 07:29Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Brazilian Navy will use S-2T Tracker adapted with radar as an AEW plataform.
I am sure he was talking about the future and not the current plan............
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By: Anonymous
- 11th February 2014 at 02:38Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Sorry, not the greatest translation.....
The largest and most expensive warship India, INS Vikramaditya, embarrassing failures faced during his journey home from the yard to the Russian naval base in Karwar Karnataka, causing nervousness in the Defense Ministry.
The 2,330 billion dollars spent on the purchase of second-hand aircraft carrier from Russia and delivered five years late, would have suffered a breakdown in one of the boilers during their 42-day trip, which compromises the ability of the warship to face the sea busy, said a source in the Navy. The vessel has a history of problems in boilers and in 2012 the ship was flawed due to a design problem during the tests of the ship in the sea.
Moreover, the tanker accompanying the carrier failed to perform a refueling mission near the coast of Portugal, raising doubts about the ability of the Navy to replenish warships at sea.
A senior official of the Ministry of Defence confirmed to HT that the warship faced technical problems during its return journey and the Navy was ordered to submit a detailed report on the incident.
The details reached the navy at a time when it seeks to improve its level of security because the last six months 10 accidents, some of which have been neglected by the Navy classified as 'no accident' occurred.
Navy Officers however, deny that the warship has found significant difficulties, a claim disputed by the Ministry of Defence. "One of the eight boilers warship malfunctioned, but the ship can sustain itself at sea, even though only four boilers working, "the source said of the Navy.
The tanker INS Deepak, was not able to refuel aircraft on the Portuguese coast because the sea was very rough. The task was stopped until conditions were favorable, "the source added.
The INS Vikramaditya was subjected to a thorough analysis of its boilers in Karwar, an activity that officials described as "routine maintenance."
This is just the latest controversy hovering over the aircraft carrier. What should be a gift from Russia, with India only paying for the modernization of 947 million dollars, souring the relationship ended after several delays in delivery and a sharp increase in the price. The warship was finally delivered last year, five years late, with the Comptroller and Auditor General criticized the government for paying 60% more than the cost of a new aircraft carrier.
By: Anonymous - 23rd January 2014 at 04:20 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Hopefully, they will come out with one in 1/350 scale soon.
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By: JangBoGo - 28th January 2014 at 19:33 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Yes, thats it.
That dome was most probably removed around the days of commissioning ceremony along with the arrestor cables. But even though they put back all arresting apparatus, they did not do the same with the dome at stern. My understanding is that those two area at stern are most probably destined for the VL missiles and close-in weapons and I always found that dome there as a mismatch. So my guess is that it was not its actual place and was just residing at its temporaty location?
@ Tempest414
INS Hansa @ Goa is a proper STOBAR facility with a ramp, chokes and arrestor gear apparatus. It is a full fledged facility for STOBAR and I believe Rafale-M would be better off in India if they want to test the aircraft or train themselves.
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By: Tempest414 - 29th January 2014 at 07:47 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The point is that we all know that Rafale M can catch a wire but can it take off from a ramp why would Dassalt spend millions going to India to find out when there is two perfectly good ramps a hour away in the UK if all goes well with the point proved then go all the way to India
By: Anonymous - 7th February 2014 at 04:44 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I wonder how long will it be before we see a joint Carrier Exercise with either the US and/or France??? That would be a sight to see.......
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By: hawkdriver05 - 7th February 2014 at 17:33 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Why?
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By: obligatory - 8th February 2014 at 10:07 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I wonder if anyone has read any hint of fixed wing AEW for this carrier ?
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By: hawkdriver05 - 8th February 2014 at 13:44 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
If Hawkeye can't operate off her (can it?) I don't believe any other fixed wing could. Are there any other FW carrier AEW aircraft out there? I think the Indian Navy will have to stick with helicopters unless the US finally decides to field an Osprey based system.
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By: obligatory - 8th February 2014 at 14:50 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
This is a splendid opportunity for a joint venture with UK, both need an Osprey AEW badly,
Brazil should be interested too, and USMC would be self reliant if they tag along
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By: rcolistete - 8th February 2014 at 15:57 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Brazilian Navy will use S-2T Tracker adapted with radar as an AEW plataform.
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By: kev 99 - 8th February 2014 at 16:17 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
UK has no interest in an Osprey AEW, it's going to be Merlin HM2 with whatever solution is selected as part of the Crowsnest program.
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By: Bager1968 - 9th February 2014 at 01:47 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The E-2C Hawkeye had demonstrated an ability to launch from a low incline ski-jump built ashore at NAS Patuxent River during the 1980s. In 2004 and early 2005 Northrop Grumman did further research on a ski-jumping Hawkeye 2000 in the context of a proposal to the Indian Navy, and while insisting that this was perfectly feasible had to admit that the required changes for STOBAR operations would reduce the aircraft's capabilities somewhat compared to the standard model.
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By: JangBoGo - 9th February 2014 at 15:59 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Probably it was based on that test that E-2C was offered to India. But from the earlier read news reports, the offer was rejected by Indian Navy because the payload lightened E-2C which could take-off from ski-jump could offer only about an hour in air. Anyways if they want to try again, they would be called upon to prove it from the STB, which is now ready. Well almost.... the "runway air finishers" being WIP.
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By: JangBoGo - 9th February 2014 at 16:05 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The point is about STO from the carrier deck and not about Rafale-M running 450m for take-off. What is required is 198m STO capability with max weapons load. AFAIK, the UK facility do not have the chokes which are an integral part of the STOBAR. So I dont see it simulating any carrier based STO.
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By: JangBoGo - 9th February 2014 at 16:31 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Some news on future/WIP armament for MiG-29Ks, courtesy Austin.
Brahmos-M (for Mini)
Equally deadly are another air-launched missile series from the Klub family meant for MiG-29K. This was shown back in 2007 and since then not much news about it. It might be in development or in testing and not something that have been shelved. We will get to hear something solid about this missile in 2015 (if we do not hear anything in 2014) as the MiG-35 for Russian AF is to start production in 2016.
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AFAIK, the innermost pylons on MiG-29K/35 is rated for 1,500Kg ordnance like the KAB-1500 series and 29K would be able to carry the sub-sonic varaint of the air-launched Klub family. Below are some spec for the two missiles.
3M-54AE (2-stage, supersonic)
Length - 7.9m
Weight - 1,959Kg
Warhead - 200Kg
Range - 220Km
3M-54AE1 (single-stage, subsonic)
Length - 6.2m
Weight - 1,400Kg
Warhead - 400Kg
Range - 220+Km
3M-14AE (single-stage, subsonic) - land attack
Length - 6.2m
Weight - 1,400Kg
Warhead - 400Kg
Range - 220+Km
land/ship/sub-based are 3 & 2 stage respectively.
MiG-29K would be able to carry the 2 x sub-sonic Klub on underwing pylons where as the heavier & longer 3M54AE @ 1,950Kg & 7.9m would only fit in centr pylon.
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By: JangBoGo - 9th February 2014 at 16:48 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
7th February 2014 marked the beginning of new phase of Indian Carrier based aviation.
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/718049
By: Anonymous - 10th February 2014 at 07:23 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
:rolleyes:
By: Anonymous - 10th February 2014 at 07:27 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I don't know about "no interest"! Yet, for political and cost reasons the UK will very likely go with the Merlin Based System. (which has been widely reported)
By: Anonymous - 10th February 2014 at 07:29 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I am sure he was talking about the future and not the current plan............
By: Anonymous - 11th February 2014 at 02:38 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Sorry, not the greatest translation.....
The largest and most expensive warship India, INS Vikramaditya, embarrassing failures faced during his journey home from the yard to the Russian naval base in Karwar Karnataka, causing nervousness in the Defense Ministry.
The 2,330 billion dollars spent on the purchase of second-hand aircraft carrier from Russia and delivered five years late, would have suffered a breakdown in one of the boilers during their 42-day trip, which compromises the ability of the warship to face the sea busy, said a source in the Navy. The vessel has a history of problems in boilers and in 2012 the ship was flawed due to a design problem during the tests of the ship in the sea.
Moreover, the tanker accompanying the carrier failed to perform a refueling mission near the coast of Portugal, raising doubts about the ability of the Navy to replenish warships at sea.
A senior official of the Ministry of Defence confirmed to HT that the warship faced technical problems during its return journey and the Navy was ordered to submit a detailed report on the incident.
The details reached the navy at a time when it seeks to improve its level of security because the last six months 10 accidents, some of which have been neglected by the Navy classified as 'no accident' occurred.
Navy Officers however, deny that the warship has found significant difficulties, a claim disputed by the Ministry of Defence. "One of the eight boilers warship malfunctioned, but the ship can sustain itself at sea, even though only four boilers working, "the source said of the Navy.
The tanker INS Deepak, was not able to refuel aircraft on the Portuguese coast because the sea was very rough. The task was stopped until conditions were favorable, "the source added.
The INS Vikramaditya was subjected to a thorough analysis of its boilers in Karwar, an activity that officials described as "routine maintenance."
This is just the latest controversy hovering over the aircraft carrier. What should be a gift from Russia, with India only paying for the modernization of 947 million dollars, souring the relationship ended after several delays in delivery and a sharp increase in the price. The warship was finally delivered last year, five years late, with the Comptroller and Auditor General criticized the government for paying 60% more than the cost of a new aircraft carrier.
SOURCE: Hindustantimes
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By: Twinblade - 11th February 2014 at 03:49 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Why translate an english article into portugese and back to english again ?
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/choppy-first-ride-home-for-long-awaited-vikramaditya/article1-1182361.aspx