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I realise you are splitting hairs here but nuclear battery's or to give there more accurate name "Radioisotope thermoelectric generator" are nothing new and have been used on the moon by the Americans during the Apollo program for their "Apollo Lunar Surface Experiments Package (ALSEP)" from 1969. The "Mars Curiosity ROVER" used one in 2011 when it landed on Mars.

Look I'm sure when it it reported in the Chinese press and discussed on your local blogosphere it is blown into a huge unique achievment but in reality it is China just catching up with what others have done decades ago. Show me some radical new development based on Chinese R&D before you start the trash talk about technology that everybody else has mastered long ago.

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Nope, but nuclear powered rovers have been to Mars, which is far more interesting(and complex) than the Moon. But hey, congrats to making it to the place some countries where 20 years ago.

There's nothing on Mars. There is helium 3 on the Moon, which is a valuable commodity.

I realise you are splitting hairs here but nuclear battery's or to give there more accurate name "Radioisotope thermoelectric generator" are nothing new and have been used on the moon by the Americans during the Apollo program for their "Apollo Lunar Surface Experiments Package (ALSEP)" from 1969.

A nuclear battery is what powers a T-800 terminator.

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JF-17 and J-10B are currently the only operational jets having DSI.

Mirage 2000-5 has a narrow angle HUD, not a wide angle HUD like J-10B has. As for reputation, the days of Western domination are over. The West can't do squat in Syria or any other country anymore because BRICS says the days of Western imperialism are OVER. Technologically, J-10B blows away F-16E the one UAE has. Bring an F-16E up against a J-10B and I guarantee you it would be shot out of the sky so fast it would be funny.

J-10B's AESA cooling vent is pretty much the same as the one on F-16E. J-10B looks scarier than F-16E due to DSI air intake.

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J-10B radar frontal shot

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so what are the advantages and disadvantages of DSI?

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so what are the advantages and disadvantages of DSI?

1. cleaner looks and less aerodynamic drag

2. scarier looks

3. hides titanium engine blades which means significantly reduced frontal radar signature

4. no moving parts which means less weight and no need for regular maintenance

5. easier construction

There is no disadvantage to DSI, which is why Chinese planes use DSI.

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To drag this once again closer to the topic.

The Ching Kuo A/B models are or have been upgraded to C/D configuration.

This includes a host of improvements, including a strengthened undercarriage, extra fuel, updated avionics, ...etc.

Below is a picture depicting the new cockpit of the C/D model.

http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj563/venoid/800px-F-CK-1_cockpit.jpg

Too many buttons. :D

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1. cleaner looks and less aerodynamic drag

2. scarier looks

3. hides titanium engine blades which means significantly reduced frontal radar signature

4. no moving parts which means less weight and no need for regular maintenance

5. easier construction

There is no disadvantage to DSI, which is why Chinese planes use DSI.

1,3,4,5 = good points
2 = not sure if it is scary looking. DSI makes it look like its smiling at you
http://i42.tinypic.com/2wlu6h4.jpg

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1,3,4,5 = good points
2 = not sure if it is scary looking. DSI makes it look like its smiling at you
http://i42.tinypic.com/2wlu6h4.jpg

LOL

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1,3,4,5 = good points
2 = not sure if it is scary looking. DSI makes it look like its smiling at you
http://i42.tinypic.com/2wlu6h4.jpg

That was the 3rd proto 1031. This was the 5th proto 1035.

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fck1 can only do air mission but j10b can do everything. it is multirole. stronger engine mean it can carry more load

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fck1 can only do air mission

You might want to let Taiwan know that because they foolishly are putting bombs and antiship cruise missiles on them.

http://8.blog.xuite.net/8/f/f/f/25492668/blog_2420779/txt/44484732/3.jpg

http://images.defensetech.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/F-CK-1.jpg

http://www.powmadeak47.com/new04d/new6p041221taib.jpg

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I see it is mentioned that the upgraded Ching Kuo C/D now has the ability to carry 4 TC-2 (Sky Sword 2) BVRAAMs instead of the two carried by the initial A/B.

Here is the A/B model with 2 Sky Sword 2 AAMs.

http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj563/venoid/ching-kuo_07.jpg

I imagine all this means is that the inner wing pylons, which for some reason didn't carry the BVRAAM in the A/B version, have somehow been reworked to carry them?

I can't see 2 additional Sky Sword 2's under the fuselage because of the main undercarriage wheel bays.

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Just found a picture from almost 10 years ago.

http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj563/venoid/IDFTC2.jpg

Clearly the inner pylons could always carry the TC-2 BVRAAM.

Thus, the only thing I can think of when they say the C/D upgade now can "carry" 4 TC-2's over the A/B version, is that it actually may have been a radar issue supporting only 2 TC-2 launches, that has now been extended to being able to handle 4.:confused:

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I just noticed the tail hook in both Ching kuo pictures. I wonder what they are on all FCK-1s.. The implications are also interesting, meaning they are strengthened for arrested landings

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Sorry, but no. Tail hooks are not unknown on land-based aircraft, for emergency stops. Their presence does not mean the aircraft is capable of arrested landings, only that it is capable of an arrested landing.

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this is as in emergency landing right?

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Yes.

Look up Anatolian Eagle 2010.

The two sources that you provide last week about Anatolian Eagle 2010 never said anything about PLAAF performing poorly. As a matter of fact they no detail at all on how either side performed......nor the ROE's.

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Is there any document or page concerning detailed performance of F-CK-1?

I could not find turn-rate, rate of climb performance of F-CK-1